Ryanair SSTR

[Garlictastes]

Good day,

I passed the RYR Assessment. In fact this means I passed the assessment for a TR with RYR nothing more. There are a lot of information about pay, rostering etc. but nothing about the percentage actually working for RYR after the TR and LT.

Summed up, the simple question ahead: how many people pass TR and LT?

Before investing this amount of money how do I know they won't dispose me for no reason to get the next paying cadet.
I guess not reading about such cases means good news but maybe people will not talk because feeling embarrassed.
Do they do their selection while being in the TR or do you work for them as long as you pass TR with good grades?

Any information appreciated

Cheers

[Say Mach Number]

Despite what you might read about the Company and the usual bladdy blah yawn stuff etc.

The Training Dept train for success not for failure and will go the extra mile to get you through if you are struggling.

99% of cadets get through everything and are employed as you are needed.

However there is always the tiny percentage where no matter what both sides do they will not get to the end of training. Its a fact of life, not everyone is cut out for a career in aviation.

Lets be clear its the exception rather than the rule.

I talk from experience of having been involved in all aspects described above.

Work hard, study hard, have a good attitude and don't believe because you paid for something you have a God given right to pass and you will have no problems.

Hope that helps.

[skyflyer737]

Say Mach Number is absolutely right. The company will never get rid of you to replace you with another cadet. They need you and want you to pass everything. The training department, from initial type rating right through to line training and beyond is usually very well organised and professional and the quality of training you will receive will be excellent.

You must be prepared to put in a lot of hard work though as it is tough and there is a lot to learn. Occasionally one or two people struggle and some take longer than others to pass but I would guess 99% come through the system with few or no problems.

[Enzo999]

how do I know they won't dispose me for no reason to get the next paying cadet.

That is the same question that gives every experienced pilot in this country sleepless nights!

[FR_A]

Lots of things can be better in Ryanair. But what you know for sure is that you be in a job when you join Ryanair.

[furbpilot]

In 1998 I did my first TR on a commercial jet with 2500 of which 1500 as in instructor and the rest in GA business jets.The company, a small charter operator, paid for it while he paid me and my very good quality accommodation in Brussels. I signed an agreement which was worth the paper it was written on. I had a regular contract with full pension. Now you want to spend a substantial amount of money for a career that beside being vastly overrated and underpaid will not grant you any benefit or perk, not even a uniform, if not the extreme pleasure of sitting 100' of hours in a pressurized tube with wings designed in 1954 with no possible development than migrating to the desert since by doing , so you are undermining the future of those European pilot still enjoying that minimum of benefits that should come natural when you are in charge of hundreds of life in the same tube moving fast at the boundary of the troposphere. You are evidently your and our worst enemy and you should shoot yourself instead of falling in the trap. Have you ever asked your self how they would have to source their pilots if no one was paying to become one. Spend the money on something worth more than a type rating. You will not be in business..you are the business.

[Say Mach Number]

furbpilot your point is?

Unless I have missed something this is not 1998 and never will be again I'm afraid.

If we are talking time machines I would like it to be 1988 and or 1978 and I had joined BA and flown Concorde but I didn't.

We cant all live in the past. Its 2015 and the world has moved on. Not always for the best but it has moved on.

I suggest you move on as well and live in the 21st century as this person who asks the question is having to and hasn't got a time machine.

As I said at the start your point is?

[McNulty]

Garlictastes,

Congrats on passing the assessment, disregard furbpilot's post, just make sure you join the RPG. The reality of your situation is that you will be very well trained and get excellent flying experience fast. Without a doubt it is a nasty company to work for but you will be very employable after a couple of years in Ryanair and you can leave for somewhere better like most people do. Keep that in mind and enjoy the flying.

[furbpilot]

Very employable by who? By some other scam airline violating basic human and worker rights? Don't do it...if they need pilots they have to pay for it.

[McNulty]

Ask the many ex Ryanair pilots in the likes of BA, Aer Lingus, Cargolux etc if they feel like they're working for "scam airlines".

[Say Mach Number]

furbpilot,

Seeing as you have all the questions and no answers. You have said ignore Ryanair for the reasons you gave in 1998.

So where are you telling this person to go for a job?

Who is going to give him a job on the conditions you state and is hiring non TR people at this time?

Is the list so long he can pick and choose, hmmm don't fink so.

I am sure he has debts and needs to start earning a crust.

As for other airlines hiring ex FR. Most never did a sim ride in Norwegian - no point- and the success rate at Emirates is 90% for FR and less than 50% for all others.

FR is not perfect but it will give this person the start he needs without the need for a time machine.

[furbpilot]

Yeah right...replicant pilots flooding the market and again FR screwing the market. In all airlines you mentioned T&C and lifestyles are spiraling down..

[Say Mach Number]

furbpilot, hate to state the obvious but you haven't answered the question yet.

Where do you suggest he goes?

Infact don't bother as it was rhetorical question.

Easy and Ryan are his best bet in this world we live in.

[furbpilot]

I suggest he spend the hundred thousand quids on a real education and stay well clear from aviation, getting into a business that will leave some space for personal life, hobbies and culture .If he likes flying he can still do it as an hobby ..real flying like glider of aerobatics once he will be a successful lawyer why not his private plane. Commercial aviation had three main advantages over an office job. More time off, better salaries and pensions and an opportunity to see the world in a dynamic way. This is not true anymore and we are left with the negatives , stress, repetitiveness, tiredness and family unfriendliness to levels never seen before. Starting an aviation career nowadays is plainly stupid.

[Say Mach Number]

Now that I can agree with.

[RAT 5]

Me too; very much. I got in, and out, just in time. Now the paragliding and aerobatics are even more enjoyable and frequent.

In all airlines you mentioned T&C and lifestyles are spiraling down..

Pax have had it rough as well. We all take it for granted now, but the pay extra for everything situation is only 15years old and has become much worse than when first introduced. The pax haven't voted with their feet. Perhaps that's why pilots haven't either.

[Garlictastes]

Hello all,

I am very happy to see such a diverse discussion.

My situation is as follows, after I finished flight training one year ago (and liking the way as furbpilot said to work up in steps) I made the flight instructor rating and I am instructing since half a year. And liking all kinds of flying I also hop into a glider when I have some time. But I think my chances of flying for an airline will decrease with time following this way.

My plan while not getting a job offer was to study while instructing (as probably most of you agree would be the best choice) but now having passed the assessment and having the option to fly professionally my choice is clear to me as it is my dream to fly a big jet (and this could be the last chance like Say Mach No said)

Good news that training standards are high and there is the job after training! thank you very much for clarification because this question was really bugging me the most!

Sad fact I think in general working conditions are getting worse in many professions.

Again, thanks for all the replies.

EDIT: Somehow my messages must be approved by an admin... That's why my answers are delayed by one day or so and totally out of order!!?

[G.S. Willy]

Well, passengers are not paying much for the ticket anymore.
Like MOL said years back: what do you expect for 20 pounds?

[Count of Monte Bisto]

I am not a great fan of Ryanair, and in fact I despise them. However, reading Say Mach Number's post, I can only commend the few wise people on here to listen to his advice. He is clearly on the inside at Ryanair, has excellent knowledge and presents the case very well. Ryanair are fascists, lurking these days as nice furry animals waiting to be petted by the gormless public who actually believe their new PR of being kind to everyone they meet. Nonetheless, I have no doubt their training is excellent and they are there to get you through if they possibly can. They are not a charity, and they know one of their key protections against financial catastrophe is not to have a crash. Therefore, if you are a numpty and cannot fly their aircraft in a 3kt headwind without the danger of a 3.4g landing they are likely to bin you, simply on grounds of self preservation - frankly, I cannot blame them. If, however, you work hard, keep your head down and make every reasonable effort to reach the required standard (which is that you are safe, not a pain in the backside, and will turn up to work on time) then you will find they will do everything in their power to get you through. I cannot find fault with that. I do not think it is true that only Ryanair pilots have a 90% pass rate at Emirates and everyone else has a 50% pass rate, but they are not terrible pilots either. There is no doubt that many Ryanair pilots are now at the best airlines around, along with pilots from the other feeder airlines like easyJet, Transavia, Monarch etc. It is not 1998, and there are not hordes of wonderful airlines waiting to give you a fantastic job, but this industry does offer you some great opportunities to advance if you work hard.

If you are one of those people who just loathe the airline industry and see it as a terrible place to work, then that is absolutely fine - but this website if probably not the best place for you to spend your valuable time. I like being a pilot, have my great frustrations with my employer like everyone else, but overall have a good working life. If you do not want to be a pilot, be a postman, engineer, dentist or financial adviser. If you like flying, then for all its awfulness, Ryanair is a great place to start your career.

[Chesty Morgan]

Originally Posted by skyflyer737

Say Mach Number is absolutely right. The company will never get rid of you to replace you with another cadet. They need you and want you to pass everything.

Right up to the time when they don't need you then you'll be gone. When they need more there'll be plenty of idiots lining up willing to part with their hard earned for the opportunity to be treated with contempt and disdain.