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With Flybe advertising for FOs and opening the external recruitment process for the first time in about four years, now seems like as good a time as ever to ask about current T&Cs and lifestyle over there. Afraid I have a barrage of questions, apologies in advance.
- Are the current payscales on PPJN.com accurate?
- What is average take home for FOs and Captains on each fleet?
- How good are the staff travel benefits, ZEDs etc?
- What is the average roster like? Lots of night-stopping, or can it be family friendly with plenty of nights at home? Bidding system, PBS, lines?
- What does the future hold? I know the rest of the 175 order was deferred, are there any plans to recommence deliveries at some point? Is the 195 fleet going to be completely retired?
- How long is the wait to transition from Q to EJet, and then from right seat to left?
Again, apologies for the bombardment of questions. I've been flying overseas for the past five years and would dearly love to return home to the UK. I'm currently on the E170/190 having just transitioned from the ERJ-145, but I'd happily fly the Q400 or anything else to get a stable job in the UK.
- Are the current payscales on PPJN.com accurate?
- What is average take home for FOs and Captains on each fleet?
- How good are the staff travel benefits, ZEDs etc?
- What is the average roster like? Lots of night-stopping, or can it be family friendly with plenty of nights at home? Bidding system, PBS, lines?
- What does the future hold? I know the rest of the 175 order was deferred, are there any plans to recommence deliveries at some point? Is the 195 fleet going to be completely retired?
- How long is the wait to transition from Q to EJet, and then from right seat to left?
Again, apologies for the bombardment of questions. I've been flying overseas for the past five years and would dearly love to return home to the UK. I'm currently on the E170/190 having just transitioned from the ERJ-145, but I'd happily fly the Q400 or anything else to get a stable job in the UK.
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That thread on interviews and jobs is first 4 pages of wanabees arguing about jot courses and whether a dash has gas turbines. Current experienced flybe crew prob read this category more and would be more able to answer er, "more mature" questions of lifestyle, outlook etc.
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Originally Posted by EMB-145LR
- Are the current payscales on PPJN.com accurate?
- What is average take home for FOs and Captains on each fleet?
- How good are the staff travel benefits, ZEDs etc?
- What is the average roster like? Lots of night-stopping, or can it be family friendly with plenty of nights at home? Bidding system, PBS, lines?
- What does the future hold? I know the rest of the 175 order was deferred, are there any plans to recommence deliveries at some point? Is the 195 fleet going to be completely retired?
- How long is the wait to transition from Q to EJet, and then from right seat to left?
- What is average take home for FOs and Captains on each fleet?
- How good are the staff travel benefits, ZEDs etc?
- What is the average roster like? Lots of night-stopping, or can it be family friendly with plenty of nights at home? Bidding system, PBS, lines?
- What does the future hold? I know the rest of the 175 order was deferred, are there any plans to recommence deliveries at some point? Is the 195 fleet going to be completely retired?
- How long is the wait to transition from Q to EJet, and then from right seat to left?
2. Difficult to put an average on it because the payscales climb on an annual basis and some bases nightstop more than others. I would say the average could be something like this:
Q400 FO - £35k
Q400 SFO - £45k
Q400 CP - £70k
EJET FO - £42k
EJET SFO - £52k
EJET CP - £77k
There's far too many variables to be accurate.
3. Staff Travel benefits? They are ok, that's it. After 4 years service you get 2 free firms per year, but you cannot book them in peak times and you can only book them within a month of your departure. This doesn't actually make them free firms, but more like another set of standby tickets.
4. Average roster? Depends what base you work from. If you work from BHX, MAN or EXT then you are going to nightstop a hell of alot. MAN is particularly bad and EXT is about to get a whole lot worse come the Winter. Other bases should see you in your own bed for the majority of a roster period.
Forget bidding for particular lines of work, it won't happen.
5. The future looks very bright. Lots of expansion. The E195 fleet is being retired come the winter schedule but I think there's plans to maybe keep 2-3 flying. The bottom line is the E195s are looking to be completely withdrawn from service. The E175s on order which were deferred are to recommence delivery in 2016 provided they cannot be offloaded in the meantime. There's alot of rumours about Airbuses and ATRs etc but this should be treated as just that - a rumour. Nothing official has come from the company yet and I am sure we'll be the second people to know behind the city. We are a public company afterall.
6. All promotions go in this order:
Start on the Q400 as an FO
Q400 FO/SFO to EJET FO/SFO
EJET or Q400 FO/SFO to Q400 Captain
Q400 Captain to EJET Captain.
As for the time to each, well again it is very much dependant on alot of variables. At a best guess I would put the timescale down to something like this:
Q400 FO to EJET FO - 4 to 5 years and climbing
Q400/EJET FO to Q400 Captain - 4 to 5 years
Q400 Captain to EJET Captain - 8 to 10 years and climbing
I hope this helps a little.
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Deano, take home pay!
Pretty sure Ejet drivers aren't grossing over 110k a year and with a max (theoretically) of 4.5k a year in duty pay (which it never will be) you'll be struggling to gross even close to 70.
Pretty sure Ejet drivers aren't grossing over 110k a year and with a max (theoretically) of 4.5k a year in duty pay (which it never will be) you'll be struggling to gross even close to 70.
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Yep, sorry about that. I read net pay but still put gross pay. I've just put those figures into a salary calculator and come up with the following monthly take home pay based on a 4% pension contribution:
Q400 FO - (£35k) £2136
Q400 SFO - (£45k) £2680
Q400 CP - (£70k) £3838
EJET FO - (£42k) £2515
EJET SFO - (£52k) £3004
EJET CP - (£77k) £4162
Q400 FO - (£35k) £2136
Q400 SFO - (£45k) £2680
Q400 CP - (£70k) £3838
EJET FO - (£42k) £2515
EJET SFO - (£52k) £3004
EJET CP - (£77k) £4162
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Dash F/O (not SFO)... 6 1/2 years down the line:
Good month: circa £2700-2800. Bad month £2500
Includes pension contribution as that goes out before tax.
It's a good place to work really. We all grumble about things, but no company is perfect. And the people you work with are great.
Good month: circa £2700-2800. Bad month £2500
Includes pension contribution as that goes out before tax.
It's a good place to work really. We all grumble about things, but no company is perfect. And the people you work with are great.
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Excellent info on this thread, thanks. Is the Newcastle base closed now? I live just down the road and the two hour commute to Edinburgh is tiring at times.
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Yes the NCL base is closed unfortunately. The seven bases are Belfast City, Birmingham Edinburgh, Exeter, Glasgow, Manchester & Southampton.
Yes the NCL base is closed unfortunately. The seven bases are Belfast City, Birmingham Edinburgh, Exeter, Glasgow, Manchester & Southampton.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
It in good to see the business plan paying dividends at FlyBe and a brighter future for all involved. However the
have been doing the rounds for at least half a decade. ATR - maybe at some stage in the future, A320 series aircraft is not going to happen at FlyBe however. For those who doubt it just look back to last year's presentation in the investor's section of the company website. Bigger jets do not fit with the CEO's (thus far successful) strategy of operating a core network of <90min flights between city pairs that are either not served or are under served by the LCCs/legacy carriers.
Occasionally there is "Ah but we will fill a 319 on a sun route out of BHX/SOU/BOH/EXT" but this brings is back to one of Mr.Hammad's Cs - Cost. Where is the cost advantage for BE in operating a small fleet of narrowbody Airbus vs. Monarch/Jet2/EZY? Without cost advantage there is no ability to offer a lower fare and increase market share. Small market share means inability to negotiate for the lower airport charges than the competitors. It is already a highly contested market segment with overcapacity for the foreseeable future.
The new management team are going to be intently focused on cost, return on investment, profit and share price. Pushing up airframe size will affect the costbase - older airframes require more maintenance (new airframes are not affordable and in any case the backlogs for Airbus narrowbodies are very long). Pushing up airframe size means direct competition with RYR/Jet2/MON/EZY - FlyBe does not have the financial resource to engage in any sort of competition that would mean running a route at a loss on a newly acquired narrowbody. A key determining factor for the management team when it comes to investment will be return. They need to spend their money wisely and they need to see a meaningful return on that investment from the get go - the company's balance sheet demands it. Finally share price - investors would not be keen to see management move away from a turnaround strategy which is bearing fruit ie. refocused network capacity on routes with no/little competition from bigger airlines.
FlyBe has undoubtedly had its ups and downs over the last five years but throughout it all the job on the day has remained interesting and rewarding with colleagues that make it a great place to work. In terms of career choices - it has been difficult for people here who have wanted to move on to bigger aircraft/companies to get a look in. Unfortunately TP and regional jet time doesn't open as many doors as it used to. Having said that, a decent number of people have left or taken redundancy over the last year to go to Flydubai, Jet2, Easyjet, Cityflyer, Monarch, SunExpress; whether that will be sustained remains to be seen. I would suggest that if you are looking to join, unless the employment market changes significantly, expect to stay here for a while. If regional flying floats your boat then you won't do better in the UK.
Obviously all this is just my opinion - I have been known to dine on hats occasionally.
rumours about Airbuses and ATRs
Occasionally there is "Ah but we will fill a 319 on a sun route out of BHX/SOU/BOH/EXT" but this brings is back to one of Mr.Hammad's Cs - Cost. Where is the cost advantage for BE in operating a small fleet of narrowbody Airbus vs. Monarch/Jet2/EZY? Without cost advantage there is no ability to offer a lower fare and increase market share. Small market share means inability to negotiate for the lower airport charges than the competitors. It is already a highly contested market segment with overcapacity for the foreseeable future.
The new management team are going to be intently focused on cost, return on investment, profit and share price. Pushing up airframe size will affect the costbase - older airframes require more maintenance (new airframes are not affordable and in any case the backlogs for Airbus narrowbodies are very long). Pushing up airframe size means direct competition with RYR/Jet2/MON/EZY - FlyBe does not have the financial resource to engage in any sort of competition that would mean running a route at a loss on a newly acquired narrowbody. A key determining factor for the management team when it comes to investment will be return. They need to spend their money wisely and they need to see a meaningful return on that investment from the get go - the company's balance sheet demands it. Finally share price - investors would not be keen to see management move away from a turnaround strategy which is bearing fruit ie. refocused network capacity on routes with no/little competition from bigger airlines.
FlyBe has undoubtedly had its ups and downs over the last five years but throughout it all the job on the day has remained interesting and rewarding with colleagues that make it a great place to work. In terms of career choices - it has been difficult for people here who have wanted to move on to bigger aircraft/companies to get a look in. Unfortunately TP and regional jet time doesn't open as many doors as it used to. Having said that, a decent number of people have left or taken redundancy over the last year to go to Flydubai, Jet2, Easyjet, Cityflyer, Monarch, SunExpress; whether that will be sustained remains to be seen. I would suggest that if you are looking to join, unless the employment market changes significantly, expect to stay here for a while. If regional flying floats your boat then you won't do better in the UK.
Obviously all this is just my opinion - I have been known to dine on hats occasionally.
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Staff travel
Just a few words on the staff travel, as it's not as bad as people make out. In fact it's some of the best you can get. Sure the Flybe tickets are of limited use, unless you end up stuck in a northern base and 'visit' the south on a regular basis for family etc.
The 'other airlines' staff travel is great if you use it correctly. We have interline agreements with more or less every every major carrier which means standby tickets are available at a very reasonable price. Difficult for travelling as a family, granted, but great as a couple. The BA staff travel portal is magnificent and once set up you have no further contact with staff travel as you can do it all yourself online.
Last October half term I got return tickets to Dubai for around £200 pp on BA, Virgin and Emirates for contingency. Got on the first Emirates flight and within a week I had refunds for the rest.
It's not perfect but I think it's pretty damn good. I'd use it more if the missus wasn't a teacher. Best of luck if you're coming. You're gonna work hard!
The 'other airlines' staff travel is great if you use it correctly. We have interline agreements with more or less every every major carrier which means standby tickets are available at a very reasonable price. Difficult for travelling as a family, granted, but great as a couple. The BA staff travel portal is magnificent and once set up you have no further contact with staff travel as you can do it all yourself online.
Last October half term I got return tickets to Dubai for around £200 pp on BA, Virgin and Emirates for contingency. Got on the first Emirates flight and within a week I had refunds for the rest.
It's not perfect but I think it's pretty damn good. I'd use it more if the missus wasn't a teacher. Best of luck if you're coming. You're gonna work hard!
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If you work from BHX, MAN or EXT then you are going to nightstop a hell of alot. MAN is particularly bad and EXT is about to get a whole lot worse come the Winter. Other bases should see you in your own bed for the majority of a roster period.
Forget bidding for particular lines of work, it won't happen.
Forget bidding for particular lines of work, it won't happen.
How often do the pilots change bases in a year? Perhaps rotation basis throughout a certain period of working?
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You have a base that you are assigned to and all your duties will start and end there, being local duties or night stopping elsewhere.
Twice yearly there is a bid in which you can ask to move base and that will be granted on space available in seniority order.
The company will only force a move on you if your post at your home base becomes redundant through a base closure or aircraft reduction, but don't get me started on that.
Twice yearly there is a bid in which you can ask to move base and that will be granted on space available in seniority order.
The company will only force a move on you if your post at your home base becomes redundant through a base closure or aircraft reduction, but don't get me started on that.
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best thread so far for flybe.
Thank you, Big_Picture.
A few more questions to add in.
1) Roster - possibility to request offdays? If so, how many in a month?
2) Conversion/Training period - will there be change of bases during this period (thereafter only relocate to permanent base after on line)? What is the percentage of salary during this time?
3) Just to clarify the staff travel benefits, is it true that:
A) firm tickets- once a year (1st-4th year, bookable within a month of departure only). Firm tickets TWICE a year from 4th year onwards.
B) standby tickets- only interline agreements. NO standby ticket from Flybe.
4) Jump seat- can it be use as FOC commuting?
Thank you in advance!
A few more questions to add in.
1) Roster - possibility to request offdays? If so, how many in a month?
2) Conversion/Training period - will there be change of bases during this period (thereafter only relocate to permanent base after on line)? What is the percentage of salary during this time?
3) Just to clarify the staff travel benefits, is it true that:
A) firm tickets- once a year (1st-4th year, bookable within a month of departure only). Firm tickets TWICE a year from 4th year onwards.
B) standby tickets- only interline agreements. NO standby ticket from Flybe.
4) Jump seat- can it be use as FOC commuting?
Thank you in advance!
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You can request up to 4 days off per month but obviously they will come out of your monthly day off allowance. They are given out in seniority order as far as I am aware so if two of you RDO the same day off then the more senior gets it, you get the gist. You can also freeze a duty if you have a school play to go to in the evening and you're on an early etc etc, but only one of those per month.
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You should be allocated your base upon job offer, there are no secrets here, no underlying tactics. You will do the type conversion in Exeter in the Flybe Training Academy and you will be put up in the hotel. Expect a week of induction, three weeks ground school and ten simulator sessions of 4 hours each. All in all from joining the company to starting line training expect approximately 7 weeks (including your days off and license issue). As for pay; we are not some ryanair type cowboy outfit, you will be paid from day one and all your expenses during training will be covered and you will not be expected to pay anything. Your line training will endeavour to be rostered from your home base but could be done from any of the bases. The company will put you up in a hotel if you are away from base.
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Firm tickets are only given after 4 years of service. You get 2 firm tickets for travel at the same time, so basically for you and spouse. If you have children they can go as well. As for booking, if you try and book them outside a month of travel you will get told to call back. Technically they are not firm tickets because if they were you'd be able to book them whenever you wanted and on whatever flight you wanted. You are also not guaranteed to get the seat you want so planning a holiday inside school holidays is next to impossible. You are always told to call again closer and closer to your departure date. This in effect means they are as good as a standby ticket.
As for standby tickets, you can travel on your own as many times a year on standby on the Flybe network, your friends and family can travel ten times. I think this is about right, someone else may clarify. I have never used staff travel in 7 years with the company.
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Absolutely no jump seat commuting allowed unless the company want to position you and the plane is full.
Syfly, any more questions then feel free to ask. I hope it helps.
1.
You can request up to 4 days off per month but obviously they will come out of your monthly day off allowance. They are given out in seniority order as far as I am aware so if two of you RDO the same day off then the more senior gets it, you get the gist. You can also freeze a duty if you have a school play to go to in the evening and you're on an early etc etc, but only one of those per month.
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You should be allocated your base upon job offer, there are no secrets here, no underlying tactics. You will do the type conversion in Exeter in the Flybe Training Academy and you will be put up in the hotel. Expect a week of induction, three weeks ground school and ten simulator sessions of 4 hours each. All in all from joining the company to starting line training expect approximately 7 weeks (including your days off and license issue). As for pay; we are not some ryanair type cowboy outfit, you will be paid from day one and all your expenses during training will be covered and you will not be expected to pay anything. Your line training will endeavour to be rostered from your home base but could be done from any of the bases. The company will put you up in a hotel if you are away from base.
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Firm tickets are only given after 4 years of service. You get 2 firm tickets for travel at the same time, so basically for you and spouse. If you have children they can go as well. As for booking, if you try and book them outside a month of travel you will get told to call back. Technically they are not firm tickets because if they were you'd be able to book them whenever you wanted and on whatever flight you wanted. You are also not guaranteed to get the seat you want so planning a holiday inside school holidays is next to impossible. You are always told to call again closer and closer to your departure date. This in effect means they are as good as a standby ticket.
As for standby tickets, you can travel on your own as many times a year on standby on the Flybe network, your friends and family can travel ten times. I think this is about right, someone else may clarify. I have never used staff travel in 7 years with the company.
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Absolutely no jump seat commuting allowed unless the company want to position you and the plane is full.
Syfly, any more questions then feel free to ask. I hope it helps.
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Absolutely no jump seat commuting allowed unless the company want to position you and the plane is full.
Unless it's changed in recent times you could use it if travelling before and after a duty.