Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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I do hope these inferences of "bad attitude" are not directed at me...but if they are, and that is some individuals interpretation, then fair enough, but your concerns are misplaced.
My argument here is not one of "deserving" a quick command, but more that the recruitment drive was aimed at people who were presumably required at a higher level of experience, which in my mind suggested a quicker command than would be expected as a new joiner with limited experience. With this in mind, and with command many many years away in my current airline, I applied. I was open and honest at selection, and asked the question of the recruiters as to the length of time expected to command (provided you fill all the required criteria that wingswinger detailed). I stated that their presentation said that 6 years was the average, and asked the question, to be told that it would be "much quicker for you". Subsequent communication has left me completely in the dark over this issue.
Current FO's would be justifiably peed off if a new joiner jumped the list ahead of them, which I understand, but a seniority system is not strictly in place, and that is attractive to an applicant that comes from one where seniority is in place, and "dead mans shoes" is practically the only way forward to command.
As for causing issues with junior commanders flying with more experienced FO's (in general terms) I do that a lot, so I assure you, that would not be an issue for my part. My role has, and always will be, to support the guy or girl in the other seat, no matter what seat I'm sat in, to ensure a safe and enjoyable day out.
My best guess at what is going on here, is an attempt by management to "divide and conquer"-a common practice these days, and all in a race to the bottom line. I personally don't see what is wrong wit stating ones experience, and pushing for career progression, but clearly if you've never been in the position of waiting 18 years for command, then you won't understand these frustrations.
Anyway, good luck all, I really am off this time, but I'll leave you with one parting comment...
If we don't start sticking up for each other in this industry, we are all
My argument here is not one of "deserving" a quick command, but more that the recruitment drive was aimed at people who were presumably required at a higher level of experience, which in my mind suggested a quicker command than would be expected as a new joiner with limited experience. With this in mind, and with command many many years away in my current airline, I applied. I was open and honest at selection, and asked the question of the recruiters as to the length of time expected to command (provided you fill all the required criteria that wingswinger detailed). I stated that their presentation said that 6 years was the average, and asked the question, to be told that it would be "much quicker for you". Subsequent communication has left me completely in the dark over this issue.
Current FO's would be justifiably peed off if a new joiner jumped the list ahead of them, which I understand, but a seniority system is not strictly in place, and that is attractive to an applicant that comes from one where seniority is in place, and "dead mans shoes" is practically the only way forward to command.
As for causing issues with junior commanders flying with more experienced FO's (in general terms) I do that a lot, so I assure you, that would not be an issue for my part. My role has, and always will be, to support the guy or girl in the other seat, no matter what seat I'm sat in, to ensure a safe and enjoyable day out.
My best guess at what is going on here, is an attempt by management to "divide and conquer"-a common practice these days, and all in a race to the bottom line. I personally don't see what is wrong wit stating ones experience, and pushing for career progression, but clearly if you've never been in the position of waiting 18 years for command, then you won't understand these frustrations.
Anyway, good luck all, I really am off this time, but I'll leave you with one parting comment...
If we don't start sticking up for each other in this industry, we are all
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I think there is some confusion here regarding the term NEC. What's being offered are Cadet Entry Contracts to experienced crews. These are the contracts that BALPA negotiated for ab-initio pilots not direct entry. The company have decided to try their luck and see how many experienced crew will sign up. Underhand, disgraceful, whatever - we all know there will be plenty that do. Easyjet thrives on pushing its luck. You don't get a pay rise unless you threaten strike, you don't get a decent contract unless you threaten strike, your roster will degenerate into a mess unless ..etc. That's just the way it is. It's a simple model and how they treat their suppliers too. That's what you are effectively doing - supplying the ability to fly their planes. It's not all bad on the inside but it is a million years from the old school idea of airline terms and conditions and always will be. 10 years ago the motivation for joining was usually a quick command. Today the motivation for joining is more likely to be job security because quick commands are long gone.
They haven't made it easy for any of you to join because be under no illusion - flexicrew is rubbish. I guess they are testing your resolve to see how much your really want to join. If you want a proper contract with medical cover, hours caps, decent pension etc - forget it. If you want a command in less than 5 years - think very carefully as it may or may not happen. If you crave a command anywhere other than LGW - think carefully as regional waiting lists are long and getting longer (the world revolves around LGW)
If you fancy a LGW base - welcome aboard. If you have ambitions to train and are happy to move to LGW to do it - welcome aboard. If you crave job security (not by base but by company - they regularly shift planes around under relocation 'consultation') - welcome aboard.
It is what it is. If you have serious reservations now then stay away.
They haven't made it easy for any of you to join because be under no illusion - flexicrew is rubbish. I guess they are testing your resolve to see how much your really want to join. If you want a proper contract with medical cover, hours caps, decent pension etc - forget it. If you want a command in less than 5 years - think very carefully as it may or may not happen. If you crave a command anywhere other than LGW - think carefully as regional waiting lists are long and getting longer (the world revolves around LGW)
If you fancy a LGW base - welcome aboard. If you have ambitions to train and are happy to move to LGW to do it - welcome aboard. If you crave job security (not by base but by company - they regularly shift planes around under relocation 'consultation') - welcome aboard.
It is what it is. If you have serious reservations now then stay away.
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SR71,
Not just my view. Many others share it. It was pressure from the trainers that contributed towards the re-opening of recruiting to experienced TR and non-TR pilots.
Some of us will be fairly upset if the contracts offered deter the right people from accepting an offer. Next year we will be working with those recruited however experienced and under whatever contract; all we can do is report upwards about what we find.
A possible insight into a/one Senior EZY pilots view on the matter?
Some of us will be fairly upset if the contracts offered deter the right people from accepting an offer. Next year we will be working with those recruited however experienced and under whatever contract; all we can do is report upwards about what we find.
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I say again: senior F/O permanent contracts have been offered to the right candidates!
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So in summary:
If you join with over 3000 ej factored hours on a flexi contract you do one year (wearing 2 stripes) then if you meet certain criteria you go on to a permanent SO contract at £38k or do you go onto SFO contract? Confused
If you join with over 3000 ej factored hours on a flexi contract you do one year (wearing 2 stripes) then if you meet certain criteria you go on to a permanent SO contract at £38k or do you go onto SFO contract? Confused
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Second stage...?
Any info/input is appreciated!
I haven't received anything since the good news in May. The mail stated it would take a few weeks to receive more info about the second stage. But nothing since then. Any if you in the same sutuation?
I am not type-rated.
I haven't received anything since the good news in May. The mail stated it would take a few weeks to receive more info about the second stage. But nothing since then. Any if you in the same sutuation?
I am not type-rated.
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Come on OpenDes! First, second or third time, you can say it as many times as you want but desperate filling of slots is not what this recruitment was initially about. It was advertising to recruit 'Future Captains' and 'Direct Entry' FO positions. I know at least 10 top class candidates who all passed selection and were offered the sickening flexi contracts; the chance to work on a soon to be outlawed zero hour contract. Thankfully it looks like none of the fine chaps I know will be taking that offer. Currently all sitting in the worlds least attractive 'talent pool' ever.
All Easyjet will gain from this is another round of people willing to live in poverty for a few years to become an airline pilot.
They are not selecting the pilots they want. They are selecting the pilots they want who are willing to take a dreadful contract. I feel really sorry for the good professional pilots within easy who have worked hard to get to where they are now and yet again, you will shortly be joined by a colleague who has paid for a seat beside you.
When everything goes wrong up there and you are having the worst of days, sometimes all that remains is the pilots talent-all the money in the world doesn't buy that!
All Easyjet will gain from this is another round of people willing to live in poverty for a few years to become an airline pilot.
They are not selecting the pilots they want. They are selecting the pilots they want who are willing to take a dreadful contract. I feel really sorry for the good professional pilots within easy who have worked hard to get to where they are now and yet again, you will shortly be joined by a colleague who has paid for a seat beside you.
When everything goes wrong up there and you are having the worst of days, sometimes all that remains is the pilots talent-all the money in the world doesn't buy that!
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Yes CCCC1, nothing here either. I did chase them but told to wait out.
Mr P, you seem to know who's been offered a permanent contract, how many are there and at which base?
Mr P, you seem to know who's been offered a permanent contract, how many are there and at which base?
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Bubair, those must be people coming from current flexi crew, Not external recruits.
All new entrants to Berlin are joining as SO or FO unless they were already perm SFO elsewhere in the network prior to the new contract being signed....
All new entrants to Berlin are joining as SO or FO unless they were already perm SFO elsewhere in the network prior to the new contract being signed....