PIA A320 Crash Karachi
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So the had a go-around because of landing gear extension issue and then dual engine flame-out?! Doesn't make sense.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/p...achi-pakistan/
Live ATC (4:47)
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/p...achi-pakistan/
Live ATC (4:47)
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But are you not supposed to add on the days missed to the end of Ramadan? When your family and friends are celebrating. Nobody would want to do that would they?
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Responsibility is what is required, I have seen senior commanders and FOs fasting on ULH, it’s crazy and highly irresponsible behavior- Yes you can fast after Ramadan to make up the missed days.
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Edited KHI ATC audio from a LiveATC.net clip posted above. It's a .zip file which will open on most computers but not on most phones or tablets.
Sounds like the first transmission from PK8303 is something like 'We are comfortable and we can make it inshallah'.
Sounds like the first transmission from PK8303 is something like 'We are comfortable and we can make it inshallah'.
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It is more reminiscent of posters (thankfully a minority on this site) who want to climb all over a disaster in oreder to be able to say when then the report comes in: "Look, I called it within an hour of the event."
Like gamblers, they never report their losses; only their wins. If it turns out that there was some equipment or operational failure they won't e around to defend their initial assessment.
Then you have the point-scorers, who seem to want to make some sort of point about a religion or other ideology.
Potentially more than one hundred people died today. That is a major human tragedy.
There will be an intense and deep investigation. The pilots had families and friends. To speculate at this this stage that the pilots may have been less than professional is an insult.
Rein yourself in. There will be plenty of time for blame when, you know, an investigation occurs?
Edited to remove a post to which I was not actually responding. My apologies to the poster alainthailande whose post I inadvertently had quoted.
Like gamblers, they never report their losses; only their wins. If it turns out that there was some equipment or operational failure they won't e around to defend their initial assessment.
Then you have the point-scorers, who seem to want to make some sort of point about a religion or other ideology.
Potentially more than one hundred people died today. That is a major human tragedy.
There will be an intense and deep investigation. The pilots had families and friends. To speculate at this this stage that the pilots may have been less than professional is an insult.
Rein yourself in. There will be plenty of time for blame when, you know, an investigation occurs?
Edited to remove a post to which I was not actually responding. My apologies to the poster alainthailande whose post I inadvertently had quoted.
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link to audio
02:53 - Roger... AND repeated aural warning (chime ?) sounds in background
04:50 - 8303 going around
06:48 - sir we have..just give me 2000 (feet)
07:17 - we are trying to maintain...
09:06 - we are proceeding direct, we have lost engines
09:36 - MAYDAY,MAYDAY,MAYDAY Pakistan 830..3 [ last x-mission ? ]
0940: - ATC : Pakistan 8303 Roger both runways available to land
02:53 - Roger... AND repeated aural warning (chime ?) sounds in background
04:50 - 8303 going around
06:48 - sir we have..just give me 2000 (feet)
07:17 - we are trying to maintain...
09:06 - we are proceeding direct, we have lost engines
09:36 - MAYDAY,MAYDAY,MAYDAY Pakistan 830..3 [ last x-mission ? ]
0940: - ATC : Pakistan 8303 Roger both runways available to land
According to the timestamps from the FR24 data they reached the minimum altitude on the first landing attempt at around 09:34:25Z
So the aural warning seems to have started at least 1:30 minutes before the first landing attempt, when they above 1400 feet (not sure exactly how high they were, the FR24 data is incomplete, it shows 1400ft at 9:33:30Z, and they don't give any earlier data yet).
So it seems something went wrong quite early. I understand the landing gear not down warning should start at 750ft AGL, and according to the data they were higher than that, so not sure what that chime was.
The gear doors appear closed so possibly an attempted gear up landing which was misjudged. The aircraft floats further down the runway then anticipated, crew realise they are running out of room and decide to go around just before the aircraft touches. The lower front sections of the engines appear relatively undamaged suggesting a nose up attitude during the ground contact.
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I have flown PIA from Islamabad to Karachi during the month of Ramadan. Aircraft lined up for departure just as the sun set and Iftar was declared. Take-off was delayed until all pax, cabin and flight crew had a drink and a sweet. Although I don't know for sure, I'd wager that the flight crew are allowed to hydrate themselves due to the safety critical nature of their jobs. You will find that the fast is something you should aim to accomplish only if you can. It is not as mandatory as some people might have you think.
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Also, some streams seem to give different timestamps when played on different devices as I've observed here in the past. Legacy codecs on the machine perhaps?
I scrubbed the 0900Z LiveATC tape but didn't find anything relevant about PK8303. Unfortunately one of the scanner channels had an open squelch with noise for much of the time on the last part of the clip.
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In the Engine System Display (bottom screen of the two in between the pilots) you have readings of oil quantity and pressure, which depending on the value can blink or change colour to attract the attention of the crew. And of course you have ECAM procedures that may be triggered.