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PIA A320 Crash Karachi

Old 22nd May 2020, 12:07
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link to audio

02:53 - Roger... AND repeated aural warning (chime ?) sounds in background
04:50 - 8303 going around
06:48 - sir we have..just give me 2000 (feet)
07:17 - we are trying to maintain...
09:06 - we are proceeding direct, we have lost engines
09:36 - MAYDAY,MAYDAY,MAYDAY Pakistan 830..3 [ last x-mission ? ]

0940: - ATC : Pakistan 8303 Roger both runways available to land


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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:09
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So the had a go-around because of landing gear extension issue and then dual engine flame-out?! Doesn't make sense.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/p...achi-pakistan/

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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:17
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Originally Posted by tubby linton
Fuel penalty with the gear extended is 180%
Still you'd need to do quite a few circuits to exhaust all your reserve fuel assuming "normal" operations. Hard to tell but from the posted footage landing gear does not seem extended.
No ADS-B data available apparently
My only reasonable explanation would be a very bad case of bird strike but I'm sure they would have reported it..
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:18
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Engine noise

The video that claims to be from the last moments of the flight has audible engine noise (doesnít look or sound like it is in surge).

The video may turn out to be something other than claimed of course.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:21
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I'm betting on technical problem leading to go-arounds -- and in focus on fixing technical problem, forgetting about fuel state and flame out. It has happened before. United Airlines in 1978. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...nes_Flight_173
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:25
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There's 5.5 mins between the go-around and impact.... Doesn't that make lack of fuel less likely?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:28
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Iím not sure if that video showing the port side is the real deal. Seems like a normal approach to me. If it is the video, then glide speed is good and I assume they simply landed short. Gear is down.

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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:34
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There is a post crash fire. Fuel exhaustion highly unlikely.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:35
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Flight time from Lahore to Karachi appears normal. Impossible that it was a fuel leak that went undetected flying overland, many alternates. Improper fuelling in Lahore? Did they forget to retract gear for some reason, or that the gear didn't retract?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:47
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This just up on the net. Both engines are charred underneath significantly. Light smoke behind engines.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:48
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The bottom video of this tweet (marked 'The video of #planecrash') is a low quality video (probably capturing on-screen playback of a security cam??), apparently shows an a/c crashing


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There is no alert on the 320 if you choose to fly gear down the entire trip. Itís been done before. There would be significant noise flying in such configuration also.

However they would be aware of such low fuel state prior to the first approach. Why the heck would anyone even contemplate a missed approach with nothing in the tanks. Which is why I would be opening up the engineering books!

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Originally Posted by Flava Saver

This just up on the net. Both engines are charred underneath significantly. Light smoke behind engines.
eek. ran them along the ground ??
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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:53
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Quick-and-dirty vertical profile from 5000', per FR24 data:



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Old 22nd May 2020, 12:55
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Originally Posted by Flava Saver
This just up on the net. Both engines are charred underneath significantly. Light smoke behind engines.
Did they forget to lower the gear on the first landing attempt?!
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WOW! Those engines look like they've been run around the ground to me..... Gear up landing, lifted of again, engines failed due to damage, crashed?
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:02
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
I can see what you’re thinking but the FR24 track shows a go around before 0 feet.

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KHI elevation is 100ft......
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:04
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Could the dirty lower nacelles be due to oil leaks, maybe over the whole flight? I know it's both engines but maybe there was some sort of systematic maintenance error.

If the oil loss is total then both engines could run down due to lack of lubrication.
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Old 22nd May 2020, 13:07
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Originally Posted by DIBO
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Bloody hell...
Are we sure this is the aircraft from today? RAT looks deployed, the engine undersides look quite bad... The left one has bits hanging off oft he lip?
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