Pablo Mason (Spelled M.A.S.O.N) Tribunal
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Just seen this on the BBC, the latest update after today's hearings;
BBC NEWS | England | Pilot disciplined before breach
BBC NEWS | England | Pilot disciplined before breach
Why any discussion? I have sympathy for the guy as he sounds a right character, but at the end of the day he broke the rules one time too many (it's called taking the p*ss in my neck of the woods).
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It looks as though the company followed the correct legal procedure in that he had received written warnings and still broke a company rule. His contract would probably state that he is required to abide by company SOPs and regulations and he probably signed a copy as acceptance. I can't see the judge being interested in Mason's own opinions, they are irrelevant, the company didn't give him licence to interpret the SOPs/rules. He was sacked for persistently breaking company rules despite having been warned, security is hardly an issue.
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Foul Play
I think its really foul play that this guy lost his job ....no pun intended .
Being a larger than life character has its good points & bad .
But an n individual like this chap will always attract attention .
Usually because others are insecure around such a charismatic character .
It seems to me that the powers that be had been waiting in the wings ready to take their oppurtunity to get rid of poor Pablo !
But seriously what type of security threat is a professional footballer ?
And a famous one at that !
Its a farce the whole scenario ...
I don't hold up much hope for the guy but i love the fact that he's not going down without a fight !
I for one wish him all the best .
Being a larger than life character has its good points & bad .
But an n individual like this chap will always attract attention .
Usually because others are insecure around such a charismatic character .
It seems to me that the powers that be had been waiting in the wings ready to take their oppurtunity to get rid of poor Pablo !
But seriously what type of security threat is a professional footballer ?
And a famous one at that !
Its a farce the whole scenario ...
I don't hold up much hope for the guy but i love the fact that he's not going down without a fight !
I for one wish him all the best .
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Isn't it a crazy world. On one hand we have a Pilot losing his job over a 'security' incident by letting a well known English football player onto the flight deck. Flip side, I see one of the muslim protesters in Luton is a baggage handler there with airside access. That's ok though coz it's polically correct.
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Our Part A is quite clear: "Flight deck visits are prohibited".
It may be that Pablo is relying on flaws in the way his case was handled: if the prescribed process was not followed exactly, he may have a case for having the decision reversed.
It may be that Pablo is relying on flaws in the way his case was handled: if the prescribed process was not followed exactly, he may have a case for having the decision reversed.
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We all love a maverick and a character, but he over stepped the mark once too often
Rules is rules folks however we dislike them, if it's in the book, then it's in the book, he broke the rules once too often, he got canned
Not in todays industry, yesterdays yes.
Rules is rules folks however we dislike them, if it's in the book, then it's in the book, he broke the rules once too often, he got cannedNot in todays industry, yesterdays yes.
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Yes understand what you are saying. However he was prepared to make a stand on this total B/S called security. If he was backed up by us all we still would not be living with this B/S now. So we continue to be led like sheep to the slaughter because that is what we all are, a load of e**** sheep.
Remember the concentration camps in the middle of last century? I rest my case.
We all have a bigger challenge here coming up with the ID card fiasco. I am waiting to see who is going to make a stand. I just wonder if BALPA have the stomach to do so? Time will tell but time is also running out.
Yes understand what you are saying. However he was prepared to make a stand on this total B/S called security. If he was backed up by us all we still would not be living with this B/S now. So we continue to be led like sheep to the slaughter because that is what we all are, a load of e**** sheep.
Remember the concentration camps in the middle of last century? I rest my case.
We all have a bigger challenge here coming up with the ID card fiasco. I am waiting to see who is going to make a stand. I just wonder if BALPA have the stomach to do so? Time will tell but time is also running out.
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Doubleu,
You make a brilliant point (as always), if we continue to tolerate this TOTAL bullsh*t then we can blame no-one but ourselves for where it all ends up....
I'm routinely scanned/searched/verified prior to getting onto the plane but the stupid FACT these idiots ignore is that the biggest weapon I have is the plane itself, the next thing in the 'security' issue may be no flying at all - its far too dangerous. Tell you what, why not take the train instead? After all terrorists would never target a train would they????????????????
You make a brilliant point (as always), if we continue to tolerate this TOTAL bullsh*t then we can blame no-one but ourselves for where it all ends up....
I'm routinely scanned/searched/verified prior to getting onto the plane but the stupid FACT these idiots ignore is that the biggest weapon I have is the plane itself, the next thing in the 'security' issue may be no flying at all - its far too dangerous. Tell you what, why not take the train instead? After all terrorists would never target a train would they????????????????
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Every day I go to work and have to face this bloody fiasco called security I feel a little more depressed.
Let me tell you a little story of how effective Luton airport security is! Despite employing British troop hating muslims!
Day 1 ( corporatde aircraft)
Private flight for owner,I carried on a highly dangerous pint of milk that had not been cleared by security however today it was not really dangerous as it was a private flight.
Day 2
Charter flight same aircraft same airport same crew Highly dangerous pint of milk from the same source as the previous day. Only thank godness this time we had to be screened and the security staff explained how dangerous the pint of milk was and confescated it!
I now do not carry any pints of milk on board and still have sleepless nights of what could have happend had the pint of milk gone off! ( let alone the explosion that could have occured had I drunk it after it had gone off) I'm sure that Luton airport security services have their hands full so full stopping these highly dangerous pints of milk from getting airside that they have no time for such trivial matters as properly screening airside pass holders that hate our nation and the brave troops that put they're lives on the line to ensure our freedom!
And another triumphant security story!
This time standing at near the check in counter at RAF Brize Norton a British soldier in full battle dress was checking in for a flight to Khanderha and was asked by security if he was carrying any dangerous weapons, I replied immeadiatley on his behalf that I should bl***y hope so as where he was going he would probably need them!
The above is typical of the rule based complete lack of common sence sociaty we have allowed to develope around us! The computer says no so it must be no sorry I'm an i**** and cannot or will not think for myself!
Let me tell you a little story of how effective Luton airport security is! Despite employing British troop hating muslims!
Day 1 ( corporatde aircraft)
Private flight for owner,I carried on a highly dangerous pint of milk that had not been cleared by security however today it was not really dangerous as it was a private flight.
Day 2
Charter flight same aircraft same airport same crew Highly dangerous pint of milk from the same source as the previous day. Only thank godness this time we had to be screened and the security staff explained how dangerous the pint of milk was and confescated it!
I now do not carry any pints of milk on board and still have sleepless nights of what could have happend had the pint of milk gone off! ( let alone the explosion that could have occured had I drunk it after it had gone off) I'm sure that Luton airport security services have their hands full so full stopping these highly dangerous pints of milk from getting airside that they have no time for such trivial matters as properly screening airside pass holders that hate our nation and the brave troops that put they're lives on the line to ensure our freedom!
And another triumphant security story!
This time standing at near the check in counter at RAF Brize Norton a British soldier in full battle dress was checking in for a flight to Khanderha and was asked by security if he was carrying any dangerous weapons, I replied immeadiatley on his behalf that I should bl***y hope so as where he was going he would probably need them!
The above is typical of the rule based complete lack of common sence sociaty we have allowed to develope around us! The computer says no so it must be no sorry I'm an i**** and cannot or will not think for myself!
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Hard to believe that the company sacked him without any complaint from the public or anyone else. Sounds like they were waiting for an opportunity and he gifted them one.
Not My Travel method in the future - pax should vote with their ticket money.
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Not My Travel method in the future - pax should vote with their ticket money
I have no reason to disbelieve Mr Mason when he says the flight was not endangered, but if SOPs are not followed in one area, many people will ask what guarantee is there that they will be followed in another area?
This is not the way I think, but many will and I wouldn't expect to see too much public retribution against MyTravel - anyway, most people will buy the best deal.
The 'security keeps us safe' argument appears quite frequently in SLF, where I normally live and although several of us try to debunk it, we don't often succeed.
The best thing to do is to follow company SOPs on this to the letter and I regret that, as I was privileged to spend some hours in the flight deck before 9/11 and it was a real privilege.
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I won't bother too much but
If Mason has repeatedly gone against SOP's and not heeded warnings...
At what stage do you sack them? Before or after they become part of a spectacular incident/accident?
I'm sorry to say those who don't understand why SOP's exist. They are there for a very good reason and when someone like Pablo repeatedly ignores them, it does not inspire his employer with confidence.
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At what stage do you sack them? Before or after they become part of a spectacular incident/accident?
I'm sorry to say those who don't understand why SOP's exist. They are there for a very good reason and when someone like Pablo repeatedly ignores them, it does not inspire his employer with confidence.
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Getting back to the subject - which has drifted off to cockpit access - inbetween the rants and the pops! .… who should you let ride on the jump seat? Who can you trust? As a staff member the jump seat has helped me get back from places I would otherwise be stuck at for longer than I wanted. Now I can only use the seat if it is duty travel. The following summary happened back in 1994 or 95 but it took 9/11 before a common policy was introduced. Even so, this common policy was/is aimed at ‘unknowns’ and not ‘knowns’ (if there is such a word!). The Pilot was dead - heading on the jump seat so, should even those on duty travel be denied cockpit access?
“A jury rejected an insanity defense yesterday and convicted a former Federal Express pilot of attacking the crew of a FedEx jet with a hammer and spear gun at 18,000 feet.
Auburn Calloway, 42, could get 20 years to life in prison for attempted air piracy. No date was set for sentencing.
Witnesses said Calloway feared he was about to be fired, and Assistant U.S. Attorney John Fowlkes told the jury he may have wanted to crash the plane so his children could collect a $250,000 accidental-death insurance policy.”
“A jury rejected an insanity defense yesterday and convicted a former Federal Express pilot of attacking the crew of a FedEx jet with a hammer and spear gun at 18,000 feet.
Auburn Calloway, 42, could get 20 years to life in prison for attempted air piracy. No date was set for sentencing.
Witnesses said Calloway feared he was about to be fired, and Assistant U.S. Attorney John Fowlkes told the jury he may have wanted to crash the plane so his children could collect a $250,000 accidental-death insurance policy.”
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Go Pablo......!!!
if there were more immigrants like him we may have the pride to call ourselves " Great Britain " again.....
have a word chaps....
hugs
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f
if there were more immigrants like him we may have the pride to call ourselves " Great Britain " again.....
have a word chaps....
hugs
xxx
f
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You cannot be held responsible for inappropriate actions forever...
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SOP and security are now subjected to be the Captain a good chap?
Common sense? Where starts and where stops? Regulations are regulations...
A stupid question...you are standing at a red traffic light, no cars coming...common sense is that is safe to cross the junction with the red light!
I will not cross, because the rules says that I cannot, what will you do?
FSLF
Common sense? Where starts and where stops? Regulations are regulations...
A stupid question...you are standing at a red traffic light, no cars coming...common sense is that is safe to cross the junction with the red light!
I will not cross, because the rules says that I cannot, what will you do?
FSLF