Pablo Mason (Spelled M.A.S.O.N) Tribunal
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Pablo Mason Tribunal
I thought some may be interested the the employment tribunal for Pablo Mason is about to begin....
Coventry Telegraph - News - Coventry News - Robbie Savage pilot sacking tribunal starts
Coventry Telegraph - News - Coventry News - Robbie Savage pilot sacking tribunal starts
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I don't think he's got much chance personally. He knowingly and deliberately violated a standard operating procedure. Add the magic word "Security" into the mix and everyone panics and bays for his blood.
Which is a shame, as I read his book a while ago, and although he comes across as opinionated and forever butting heads with those in authority, there's no denying that he seems like a good man, a decent human being and that he cares about his colleagues and the men who were under his command.
It seems that he was destined for greater things than a life in civvy street where the rules and regulations are always allowed to override common sense.
Good luck to him in the future.
Which is a shame, as I read his book a while ago, and although he comes across as opinionated and forever butting heads with those in authority, there's no denying that he seems like a good man, a decent human being and that he cares about his colleagues and the men who were under his command.
It seems that he was destined for greater things than a life in civvy street where the rules and regulations are always allowed to override common sense.
Good luck to him in the future.
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Agreed.
I have heard that there have been some various security breaches. One story I heard, the pilot was flying with an AXE IN THE COCKPIT!!!! Can you believe it? Well I assume he was searched at security, to check he had no weapons etc.
Wonder if they "got him" on that one, for a breach of security?
Agreed.
I have heard that there have been some various security breaches. One story I heard, the pilot was flying with an AXE IN THE COCKPIT!!!! Can you believe it? Well I assume he was searched at security, to check he had no weapons etc.
Wonder if they "got him" on that one, for a breach of security?
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We are co politically correct about security procedures here in the UK, we do not see any sense or logic when it comes to it. Everybody jumps at it and follows it blindly as it's the right thing to do. Anybody thinking outside the bracket is savaged by the press ,as this is what sells best nowadays.
The Italians were absolutely right after September 11 stating it was specifically an American problem. "SECURITY" the biggest bull of the the 21st century?
A company I work for ( on the continent) allows a member of a family on a flight deck given sufficient notice and security clearance, can you do this anywhere in the UK? Wishful thinking.
We are all victims of it all. I hope Pablo has a very good lawyer, but I am not very optimistic about his case.
Good luck
PB
The Italians were absolutely right after September 11 stating it was specifically an American problem. "SECURITY" the biggest bull of the the 21st century?
A company I work for ( on the continent) allows a member of a family on a flight deck given sufficient notice and security clearance, can you do this anywhere in the UK? Wishful thinking.
We are all victims of it all. I hope Pablo has a very good lawyer, but I am not very optimistic about his case.
Good luck
PB
Somewhere on the web was a video of one of his excellent announcements to his passengers, done from the front handset in the cabin, face to face with the public. I just can't find it now, does anybody know where it is if it still exists?
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The Italians were absolutely right after September 11 stating it was specifically an American problem.
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A company I work for ( on the continent) allows a member of a family on a flight deck given sufficient notice and security clearance, can you do this anywhere in the UK? Wishful thinking.
Posh Boy, you're so right! When are our lords and masters going to stand up for us? We are the very people who have a vested interest in the safe conduct of a flight yet we are treated as possible hijackers. This is not a dig at the Security staff - they are simply doing what they are told.
High time a sense of realism was injected. Why shouldn't we have our immediate family on our own flight deck, especially after a sensible period of notice?
Posh Boy, you're so right! When are our lords and masters going to stand up for us? We are the very people who have a vested interest in the safe conduct of a flight yet we are treated as possible hijackers. This is not a dig at the Security staff - they are simply doing what they are told.
High time a sense of realism was injected. Why shouldn't we have our immediate family on our own flight deck, especially after a sensible period of notice?
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Can you do this in UK? Of course, provided the company agrees. Only last week I flew two trips with my wife in the co-pilot's seat. No-one worried.
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Pablo Mason was right. The rules remain wrong.
Yes, the rules are wrong. This is a key part of what this tribunal will be about.
Postings from blindly obedient, law-following folk will doubtless profess that complying with the rules/law is the only correct way. Sad, really. Remember how things went following the Weimar Republic. The law is sometimes more than ass.
Yes, the rules are wrong. This is a key part of what this tribunal will be about.
Postings from blindly obedient, law-following folk will doubtless profess that complying with the rules/law is the only correct way. Sad, really. Remember how things went following the Weimar Republic. The law is sometimes more than ass.
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Sick to death of all of the aviation industry,security and P.C. mad people. Nobody has the balls in this country to speak out anymore. Guess where I'am going on holiday this year .... yes the Isle of Wight , totally p**sed off with the whole aviation experience (event ?)
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I don't have a link to a video, but my wife and I were on a flight from Birmingham to Murcia several years ago when we witnessed the sort of cabin-based announcement you refer to.
From memory, his announcement included wishing a young passenger happy birthday and how he (Pablo) would have loved to have been able to fly at a young age. He also said it was a shame the boy wouldn't be able to visit the flight deck during the flight because of the rules.
As we taxied out he drew our attention to some plane spotters and remarked that was what he used to do as a boy.
I seem to recall that he was standing in the cockpit door wishing everyone a good holiday as we disembarked in Murcia.
In any other business such a personable approach would most-likely be commended as generating customer satisfaction and loyalty.
I cannot comment on any technical aspects of the flight, except to say it was completely uneventful.
From memory, his announcement included wishing a young passenger happy birthday and how he (Pablo) would have loved to have been able to fly at a young age. He also said it was a shame the boy wouldn't be able to visit the flight deck during the flight because of the rules.
As we taxied out he drew our attention to some plane spotters and remarked that was what he used to do as a boy.
I seem to recall that he was standing in the cockpit door wishing everyone a good holiday as we disembarked in Murcia.
In any other business such a personable approach would most-likely be commended as generating customer satisfaction and loyalty.
I cannot comment on any technical aspects of the flight, except to say it was completely uneventful.
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I sympathise with Pablo's plight, but doubt if the Judge will have much in the way of options to let him off the hook. The unfortunate fact remains that he boke the cardinal rule...he got caught!
Security is a sensitive issue, and one that is being blown out of all proportion, especially by those who are raking it in as security service advisors/providors.
Security is a sensitive issue, and one that is being blown out of all proportion, especially by those who are raking it in as security service advisors/providors.
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Slightly off topic, I admit, but the subject of cockpit visits was raised. I'm amazed that one airline I know off has the policy that a non-staff member, travelling with a staff member may occupy the cockpit jump seat if the a/c is full. Staggering! The reason being is that they are not a fare paying pax. They are not flight safety trained, have no ID etc. Surely the airline ID carrying staff member should be in the cockpit, not some non-security checked individual.
Double standards or crass stupidity?
Double standards or crass stupidity?
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Im not 100% sure but think the sterile flight deck is a company rule rather than legal, as some UK operators still allow jump seating for those that meet the criteria. Be interesting to see what comes out of the case.