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Old 26th Mar 2010, 12:40   #61 (permalink)
 
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@flyhelico.. not exactly a constructive comment mate.

i studied long and hard to get through my assessments so i'm pretty sure that's why i was accepted. it was a test for me not them, to see if i had the aptitude for it before i spent my own had earned money!

..even then i wasn't about to dive in without considering other options.
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Old 26th Mar 2010, 15:38   #62 (permalink)

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Would all of the above like to add some credibility to the point of this thread and state your current employment status and earnings?
Certainly.

I spent around 45k all in (see post 23). Finished the IR in late 2007, aged 36, with a whopping 220hrs under my belt. Q400 job offer early 2008, no charges for the type rating, uniform, crew water etc, just a 3 year bond on the TR.

Today Im still on the Dash, and average take home is around 2,100 per month. Not a fortune, but I consider myself extremely fortunate to have a job (and if I was obsessed with earnings I'd have stayed in my previous career).

Before we all pull them out and see how high we can pee, the fact that I had trained modular rather than integrated was largely irrelevant to my airline (in fact, on my TR course there was pretty much a 50/50 split between integrated and modular people). Rather more importantly:

(a) Every low-hours candidate had been recommended by his or her school, and therefore had a sound and verifiable training record.
(b) They were then recruiting at least 10 FOs per month, meaning jobs were (relatively) plentiful.

Were not recruiting at the moment, which means your choice of school and training route is pretty academic. However, if anyone insists on training right now and God knows how long some of the more experienced people have been saying Dont do it then by choosing modular, you will:

(a) Save a considerable amount of money compared to integrated.
(b) Have the opportunity to train part time and thus work to finance your training.
(c) Be able to slow down or even accelerate your training to match the job market.
(d) End up with exactly the same licence at the end of it all.

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Old 26th Mar 2010, 15:57   #63 (permalink)
 
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Good post.
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Old 2nd Apr 2010, 23:16   #64 (permalink)
 
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Some time ago, I was a slave of the integrated pr tricks as you may remember. But along the way I thought about it and researched and now I have understod that my future will be so much brighter, if I go modular. I thank you very much for spending the times arguing with me in the long posts hehe.

Anyway I am not an expert on this area. Ive completed my PPL and as I am 18 years old now, I still have one year left in upper secondary school. If I would be starting training now, I would go for modular instantly, regarding the situation we are in nowdays. But the industry tend to change. I mean, I will most likely start my training some time between September 2011 and January 2012. What if during that time + the time it takes for me to complete my training, everything will change and the big boys will start hiiring again. BA wil open its OAA program again etc. And lets say the industry will start rolling again slowly during my training and I will end up, graduating when it has turned for the worse once again.

What Im saying is. Modular is the best option now when there is no jobs and you want your training to go slow. But will it be the best later on when maybe, the airlines starts hiiring again?

This is the idea I have gotten now through many people that support integrated. Is there any truth to this or is it just pure bullshit?

Thanks again and long live modular!!
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Old 4th Apr 2010, 22:30   #65 (permalink)

 
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Snoop Oxford Vs Jerez

Im planning to do my CPL in europe, i am from india,

i am confused over choosing jerez or oxford and the opportunities associated with the school once i finish my course , i am an indian national so wondering if airlines in europe would consider,

on the other hand should i take up a integrated or modular and skip ATPL THEORY IF I WISH TO RETURN TO INDIA AND CONVERT MY LICENCE !??

DO Oxford or jerez offer integrated courses skipping ATPL ?

DOES OXFORD AND JEREZ COURSES INCLUDE TRAINING RIGHT FROM UR PPL TILL ATPL ? ( AS THEIR INTEGRATED AND MODULAR COURSE DOES NOT MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT PPL ! on the wesite)
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Old 5th Apr 2010, 12:58   #66 (permalink)
 
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easter bunnies...where is my ruddy egg!

Didnt read all the pages of this thread however got the gist:


Hope my info helps peeps save money, I found it the best value for money (so far)

Do PPL(A) and PPL (H) depends on you I supose

ATPL Ground school is just 1 more exam now so an extra 66 3k total

The nice thing is now....get your IR and CPL on the fixed wing then take advantage of the dispensations given by the CAA towards the ATPL H. IR is a 10 hour conversion pluss a type rating (budget 30k depending how good you are) CPL you only need 105 hours.

Not for every one I supose, but not a bad way of grabbing a really usefull ticket to ride, it also gives you great versatility in the market.

Good luck all! and dont forget.....its only money!
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Old 5th Apr 2010, 19:15   #67 (permalink)
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Boeing/Airbus major airline jobs are ten-a-penny compared to helicopter jobs...

Other than that a fine plan!


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Old 5th Apr 2010, 20:00   #68 (permalink)
 
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DO Oxford or jerez offer integrated courses skipping ATPL
No they do not.

The reason for a zero2hero course is to provide a consistent structure of study through which individual performance can be constantly monitored. When the airlines decide to look at hiring ab-initio guys they can see how each has fared and developed in an intensive learning environment. A seemless training program - it is hoped - minimises airline training risk.

The notion of doing an integrated program is, in this current climate, a little optimistic since the airlines are not hiring ab-initio directly at the moment anyway (regardless of what the likes of OAA will tell you)...not unless you've got another 30K odd to spend on a limited PTF program that is.

With regards to Modular students: G SXTY is a good example of success. If I'm right in thinking, the airline he/she works for and at the time of hiring actually rejected a batch of "recommended" integrated students a while back because they were so poor - and yet they originated from a well known FTO. They took modular guys instead. This same airline, at the time of hiring, openly welcomed applications from modular guys who had trained at not more than 2 FTOs.

There are requirements to do modular flight training (none for ATPL theorey) with OAA and Jerez and you may want to check LASORS for them.

LASORS: LASORS 2008 | Publications | CAA

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Old 7th Apr 2010, 19:15   #69 (permalink)
 
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And if I get my PPL in a local flying club, does this count as a 'school'?
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 11:06   #70 (permalink)
 
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take from it what you want.

I've just seen my post has been made in to a sticky, which was not intentional!

I completed my MCC at European in Bournemouth in June last year, all the training was done with out any time off inbetween, the hour building was slightly longer than I hoped due to the typical northern weather between September and Feb.

For my training I appreciate it was still not the cheapest way to get the pieces of paper, however I wanted to do all my training within the UK, as it was important for me to train in the UK airspace, with the weather and to get the most out of it.
I had heard of peoples experiences that being shipped off to the States was not as promised in the PPL brochures (the ones with 737s glossy pictures on the front!)
I looked around 3/4 flying schools before selecting the right one, you can't really do that in America..

The costs I initially put up are current to this day, and I think if I were to do it again I could make it cheaper with the PPL on a Cessna 150/152, and make sandwiches rather than have all day breakfasts for lunch!

PPL, go for a simple 2 seater.
Groundschool, checkout groundschools for offers - or possibly distance learn?
Hour building, buy in to a 100hr building package.
CPL/IR - If you are going for a multi-engine rating, I would suggest doing the CPL.IR all in the multi, otherwise you will be learning to fly two aircraft. Keep it simple!
MCC - 737-200 at European in Bournemouth can not be beaten! Top quality course, lower prices than some static King Air sims, Instructors who can not be beaten on knowledge, and lets face it you have a go in a 737 for the first time!

Accommodation whilst doing the full time ATPL groundschool, some guys I knew hired their own house during the time and shared the costs between them, worked out very cheap, and shared lifts to/from the airport.

These are my thoughts, some of you I am sure will have better/different views!
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 11:56   #71 (permalink)
 
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And if I get my PPL in a local flying club, does this count as a 'school'?
Yes, it does. However, if where you get your PPL from isnt able to accommodate next stages of training i.e. MECPL/ME-IR then no problem. Simply ensure that all the remainder is done in one place.

Employers are not so happy to see PPL done at one school, MECPL done at another, then ME-IR at another school with MCC done at a 4th school!! As said before they want to be able to track your progress from one source with a view to minimising training risk.

If you are going to train commercially attempt to do it all in one place and committ to it full time so you benefit from that continuity of training.

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Old 8th Apr 2010, 18:45   #72 (permalink)


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hi everyone
New here on this forum, not a professional pilot yet, but looking closely to start training in a month or so.

Sounds a good argument everyone has going on here, been scanning through an i think the modular way will be the route im going to take. been looking at doing from 'zero to hero' at flight academy blackpool, which at the moment have just started a scheduled modular course.

would just like a few pilots opinion on this flight school, are they successful? a recognise school with airlines? and does it seem worth going for, hopefully to complete in 4 years time?

the website is www.fablackpool.com if you have time to have a look.
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Old 8th Apr 2010, 20:37   #73 (permalink)
 
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So joining a flying club while I'm getting my degree is no problem as long as I stick to one school to get my other licences?
Thnx!
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Old 9th Apr 2010, 00:02   #74 (permalink)
 
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Exactly!

It certainly helps to have continuity at a formulative stage.
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Old 10th Apr 2010, 07:33   #75 (permalink)


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hi

Hi to everyone
i'm new in PPPRUNE and i'm from france
so i'd like to know if someone could help me ...

so i'd love to be a pilot its my passion
i started my ppl in france and i done about 20 h and i'm doing good they say

so im in florida right now and i'd like to finish my ppl in the US and do my CPL and IR
i'm lost because there is so many pilot schools
i heard about EFT thats all

so if someone can help me !
i dont mind about florida i can move to any states but i need a school with facilities

thanks
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Old 14th Apr 2010, 11:52   #76 (permalink)


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FAA training for JAA Licence

Hi,

Another newbie here, but im wondering has anyone tried this route, and more importantly gotten a job from it?

JAA Professional Pilot | Angel City Flyers, Inc.

Basically, you do all your training in the states under an FAA PPL, add the ratings on to it as you go and then convert the lot to a JAA licence at the end in stapleford...

Oh, the only thing missing from that is you have to do the JAA ATPL exams seperately before you can convert, but it is possible to do those on the cheap post-ppl on the side...

I know PTC (waterford, ireland) do something similar as an integrated course and it still magically works out at some ridiculous figure too...

So im wondering... has anyone tried a route similar to this and actually gotten a job from it?

By the way, for disparity, im not talking about doing your JAA training course in the states directly like they do at Naples or Ormond Beach. I'm talking about doing your training under an FAA licence and then converting that...
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 15:21   #77 (permalink)
 
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You get what you pay for??

I have been researching training options for quite some time and have been told many a time that the Airlines prefer students fresh out of integrated courses. Is this not true? I was told at a recent seminar that BA for example take the top 2-3 students from integrated courses conducted by Oxford, Cabair, CTC and FTE.

I would much rather pay twice the price for an Integrated course if it gave me a better chance of getting a job at the end of it.

What do you boys think

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Old 17th Apr 2010, 20:49   #78 (permalink)
 
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wake up and smell the marketing staff cheap instant coffee
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Old 17th Apr 2010, 21:31   #79 (permalink)

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Is this not true?
No.

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Old 18th Apr 2010, 11:21   #80 (permalink)
 
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TL 638 check post #72 on this thread.
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