b.a. Baracus

haha brilliant,

............ You got to know when to hold'em, know when to fold'em

Prophead

Surely if your going to compare prices then its the amount you would pay back on a loan not what you borrow. How much does the integrated course cost then?

If you work whilst doing modular and earn a good enough salary then compared to doing a year full time integrated you may even make a profit!

v6g

Depends on loan terms & interest rate but it's around the £140,000 mark. When I looked at it, I also considered the fact that it would be paid back with earnings net of marginal tax - in which case integrated costs around the quarter-million-pound point in future earnings.

Ok, so my calculation didn't allow for inflation - but whichever way you look at it, a quarter of a million pounds for a £40,000 license is dumbfoundingly crazy.

flyboy1818

Correct, and I'm not skint either I live a very nice lifestyle

SVoa

Even though we have all agreed that modular training is far cheaper than integrated training, everyone makes their own decisions based on what makes them feel safer and more satisfied at the end of the day. However standards differ from country to country. In my country they really couldn't care less where or what training you did. If you meet the requirements they call you in for an interview (if they are hiring) and if you perform to their standards during the assessments you get the job. Speaking with a few captains who are very close to me from a UK airline and from a Greek airline, they all say the same thing: You can never tell a difference between an integrated pilot or modular. Some fo's theyve flown with from the integrated path have had very poor knowledge and flying skills, and others have been top notch. Same goes for modular pilots. And I have a friend who went to one of the big boys for integrated training, and failed an airline assessment 3 times!!! And yes he passed everything first time.

In terms of how good a pilot you become has everything to do with you as a person and the effort and work you put in it. However in some countries, like the UK, if you havent done your training at one of the big boys, you are looked down upon from the airlines or not given an equal shot at a job. This is the airlines decision and nothing anyone can do about it. From the moment that you are not assured a job by giving your loot to an integrated school why do it????

Jerry Lee

I think too that the modular provides you more experience and more hours of flight, and so I'm going to start with the modular within the next 2 years.
The school is in Australia, it is the MFS, and I'll post the prices in €.

PPL 6800
HB 40 hrs 4720 (PA28 118€ x 40 hrs)
IR 8700
ME 1650
Night Rating 2300
HB 25 hrs 2950 (PA28 118€ x 25 hrs)
CPL 16300
ATPL frozen 1700
theory courses (not ATPL) 3410

TOTAL (housing not included) about €48600

Is this too much?
I'd like to become a Flight Instructor too, and it costs 8200€.
I need some opinions from you expert boys

The licences are all CASA, then, in one next time, I'll convert it to JAA, also if I'd like to stay in Australia for ever.

adam75

I did :

ppl 55h ( a very long and mass up school in Milan) 10 000 euri

100 h XC ( of course in florida on pa28 ) 15 000 dollars ( with house) school was florida flyers

IR/MEP at topfly accademy in Barcelona 12500 euri 30h plane and 30 h multi simulator

CPL in greece 4000 euri with final check

on top I spent 35000-36000 euri.( i still have to do my mcc, i think to do it at european skybus in UK 2100 euri) anyway all first time pass! I don t understand people spending 80 000 for the same hours thinking they school is the best one becasue it gets so much money from them.

make it smart! all money saved for type rating and these bloody line training program

R2112

Hi guys, new to the forum (first post)
I'm in no position of authority from which to comment, but I've been around and doing the research for long enough to agree totally that as far as money goes, theres really no contest. thing is, with the industry as it is, no matter which way you go, is one more likely to lead to a place in the right hand seat of ANY aircraft, be it Jet/TP/(Other?!)
I suspect not but it's a question I couldn't help but raise.

Mikehotel152

What's more: Modular is simply MUCH more fun!

At no other time in your life will you be able to assign a massive £5000-10000 to the joys of simply flying around the UK or somewhere interesting abroad of your choice, with your mates, eating bacon butties and gaining untold experience, all in the name of essential 'training'!

I wish I could do it all again!

UAV689

So True mikehotel!

I maybe able to do some of my hours on the fantastic chipmunk, you would get that at the OAA sausage factory! They dont know what they are missing!

Frankly Mr Shankly

Good point indeed that Mike, flying round Florida or wherever for the "$100 burger" (invariably refuelling at Lake Okeechobee and popping in to see mates at the skydiving centre etc etc) just because you can, loved it. The flying that is, the burger wasn't bad either. Yep, agreed, I miss that too.

benPetrarca

I am about to do my A-levels in maths n' physics. During this time i will be saving for my PPL, most palces are asking for £6599 which is not a problem. Getting the CPL is the hardest bit as there are money implications.

Just a quick question, how many sponsored CPL go every year on average? Would it be better to finacially plan how I will get my CPL or shall i do it in chunks saving and spending on courses?

Lastly, what sort of jobs do you do when your earning money, i am looking at unskilled work right now.. Problem is that isnt a big money earner.. what sort of jobs did you do or did you take out loans?..

Wee Weasley Welshman

Ben. Don't do the PPL. To keep it current will cost you thousands. You're way way too young to be thinking about professional pilots training unless your Dad is already and airline Captain with a Porsche in the garage. Aim to start flying training when you're, oooh, 23 and have save some cash. By that time the industry will have improved and you might stand a slim chance of getting a job.

Right now. At 16. With not much money. Forget it.

Desert Strip Basher

While I agree this lad will have to spend money keeping current - did you ever consider that he might just enjoy it at the time - or even find out whether flying is for him?? At the very least I'd suggest a trial lesson. There's no need to be so consistently negative, particularly in this annoying style. Of short emphasising sentences. There really isn't.

micro_burst

benPetrarca:

If you want to start flying for the experience and shear fun of it then I suggest you try gliding. The low cost and social/volunteer side of it will really get you meeting the right people and immerse yourself in the world of flying. Many glider pilots are ex-RAF or airline pilots who can offer a wealth of information and tips, both on the industry and flying itself.

I'm 24 years old and spent 5 years flying gliders in the UK before coming out to do my PPL here on South Island in New Zealand. The experience I gained through gliding has been priceless (literally, we charged most of it to our university's union ), and allowed me to sail through the PPL course with enough time to build up the remaining required hours doing cross-countries around this beautiful country. I'm hoping to take myself all the way to ATPL and the airlines when I return to the UK in summer, but the greatest feeling in the world at the moment is being able to take it one step at a time with enough space to breath and enjoy it too.

Check out the British Gliding Association (BGA) website Welcome to the British Gliding Association, or their junior section Junior Gliding - the most fun you can have in the sky for more information.

Plus i think they do a sponsorship each year for people around your age, so you might be able to do it for free! It really is a beautiful way to fly.

Prophead

If someone has managed to save either £67000 or £50000 then they are probably earning more in their current job than they would as an FO.

IrishJason

My god this opens up alot doors, not a hope will i go near a school now. i got the break down

ppl - half paid up front and the remainding paid half way through. €10635. half + half

Night Rating - upfront payment required. €1200

ATPL - upfront payment required. theory €3700

Hour Building - Pay as you go or pay for ten hours and get one hour free. 100 x155. €15500

Multi Engine - upfront payment required. €3195

Cpl - Half paid up front and the remaining paid half way through. €9700

ME-IR - Half paid up front and the remaining paid half way through. €15999

total €59925

flyhelico

congratulation, do the bank transfer now!!!

I think anyone with enough cash is "Accepted".

now they accept even airline pilots for the pay to fly scheme(the JAA P2F).

this is pathetic!

G SXTY

Certainly.

I spent around £45k all in (see post 23). Finished the IR in late 2007, aged 36, with a whopping 220hrs under my belt. Q400 job offer early 2008, no charges for the type rating, uniform, crew water etc, just a 3 year bond on the TR.

Today I’m still on the Dash, and average take home is around £2,100 per month. Not a fortune, but I consider myself extremely fortunate to have a job (and if I was obsessed with earnings I'd have stayed in my previous career).

Before we all pull them out and see how high we can pee, the fact that I had trained modular rather than integrated was largely irrelevant to my airline (in fact, on my TR course there was pretty much a 50/50 split between integrated and modular people). Rather more importantly:

(a) Every low-hours candidate had been recommended by his or her school, and therefore had a sound and verifiable training record.
(b) They were then recruiting at least 10 FOs per month, meaning jobs were (relatively) plentiful.

We’re not recruiting at the moment, which means your choice of school and training route is pretty academic. However, if anyone insists on training right now – and God knows how long some of the more experienced people have been saying “Don’t do it” – then by choosing modular, you will:

(a) Save a considerable amount of money compared to integrated.
(b) Have the opportunity to train part time and thus work to finance your training.
(c) Be able to slow down or even accelerate your training to match the job market.
(d) End up with exactly the same licence at the end of it all.

fabbe92

Some time ago, I was a slave of the integrated pr tricks as you may remember. But along the way I thought about it and researched and now I have understod that my future will be so much brighter, if I go modular. I thank you very much for spending the times arguing with me in the long posts hehe.

Anyway I am not an expert on this area. I´ve completed my PPL and as I am 18 years old now, I still have one year left in upper secondary school. If I would be starting training now, I would go for modular instantly, regarding the situation we are in nowdays. But the industry tend to change. I mean, I will most likely start my training some time between September 2011 and January 2012. What if during that time + the time it takes for me to complete my training, everything will change and the big boys will start hiiring again. BA wil open it´s OAA program again etc. And let´s say the industry will start rolling again slowly during my training and I will end up, graduating when it has turned for the worse once again.

What I´m saying is. Modular is the best option now when there is no jobs and you want your training to go slow. But will it be the best later on when maybe, the airlines starts hiiring again?

This is the idea I have gotten now through many people that support integrated. Is there any truth to this or is it just pure ********?

Thanks again and long live modular!!