Jetstar pilot package
Such tears.
I've helped far more than you know, but I choose to help people who have demonstrated a willingness to help themselves.
During your JQ interview, you'll be asked to demonstrate how you're able to operate in the LCC model, to show you're self reliant and able to function without everything simply being handed to you. Do tell them how you couldn't even locate the Jetstar EBA. Maybe throw another tantrum in too. Sure fire job offer I'd wager.
Bite me. If you not interestedin helping fellow aviators with a smile on your face Im not sure aviation is for you.
During your JQ interview, you'll be asked to demonstrate how you're able to operate in the LCC model, to show you're self reliant and able to function without everything simply being handed to you. Do tell them how you couldn't even locate the Jetstar EBA. Maybe throw another tantrum in too. Sure fire job offer I'd wager.
Green Goblin,
You've perhaps misunderstood me. 27/9 was making the suggestion that TTMRA and Open skies might have something to do with the restriction on Kiwi's working in Australia.
You and I agree, that has nothing to do with it. The fair work act facilitates the right of anyone flying a Jetstar aircraft domestically within Australia to be collectively represented on minimum terms and conditions in accordance with our EBA. For better or for worse, Pilots on Kiwi contracts do not qualify for this.
I'm intentionally keeping it very simple to avoid the thread being completely hijacked and heading very far south, I'm sure you can understand. But this post will no doubt put an end to that.
You've perhaps misunderstood me. 27/9 was making the suggestion that TTMRA and Open skies might have something to do with the restriction on Kiwi's working in Australia.
You and I agree, that has nothing to do with it. The fair work act facilitates the right of anyone flying a Jetstar aircraft domestically within Australia to be collectively represented on minimum terms and conditions in accordance with our EBA. For better or for worse, Pilots on Kiwi contracts do not qualify for this.
I'm intentionally keeping it very simple to avoid the thread being completely hijacked and heading very far south, I'm sure you can understand. But this post will no doubt put an end to that.
Fair enough willie.
Das - play nice.
As for doing everything yourself at JQ? From my previous airline, I couldn't believe how easy JQ was. Only four sector days instead of 8, jetload instead of trim sheets, flight attendants as well as an FO :P, no refuelling and no bag chucking, no flightplanning and submitting stuff via NAIPS. An Autopilot and APU! I thought the QF MoU boys were taking drugs when they were staying how hard we had it!
Anyway it's all relative. Didn't take me long to start whinging.
Das - play nice.
As for doing everything yourself at JQ? From my previous airline, I couldn't believe how easy JQ was. Only four sector days instead of 8, jetload instead of trim sheets, flight attendants as well as an FO :P, no refuelling and no bag chucking, no flightplanning and submitting stuff via NAIPS. An Autopilot and APU! I thought the QF MoU boys were taking drugs when they were staying how hard we had it!
Anyway it's all relative. Didn't take me long to start whinging.
Whats wrong with the thread being derailed. The issue was resolved post #2. Why not let it meander a bit :P
Green Goblin: Only 8? Back in my day it was 12 sectors! Uphill both ways too.
Green Goblin: Only 8? Back in my day it was 12 sectors! Uphill both ways too.
Only 12?
That's nothing.
We did 16 while living in a box in a lake with manual trim sheets, no autopilot, no apu, no flight attendants, no fuel - and we only had half a wing to fly uphill both ways.
That's nothing.
We did 16 while living in a box in a lake with manual trim sheets, no autopilot, no apu, no flight attendants, no fuel - and we only had half a wing to fly uphill both ways.
Slightly off topic perhaps but:
I believe the 'three indefinitely deferred orders' are now set to become 787-9's for the mothership (for a total of 53 orders(only 8 firm so far)/ options/ purchase rights, etc).
64 787's for the 'Group' in total if they're all taken up.
Also, rumours currently floating around that 11 788's for JQ may be too many? (potentially by 3 frames, which could be better used by QF...). Again, thats nothing concrete, just a rumour.
Ultimately, JQ might be a pretty decent Job (thanks to their last EA), but I wouldn't join JQ with my heart set on flying wide bodies is all.
With 11 787 (currently) and three indefinitely deferred orders
64 787's for the 'Group' in total if they're all taken up.
Also, rumours currently floating around that 11 788's for JQ may be too many? (potentially by 3 frames, which could be better used by QF...). Again, thats nothing concrete, just a rumour.
Ultimately, JQ might be a pretty decent Job (thanks to their last EA), but I wouldn't join JQ with my heart set on flying wide bodies is all.
Extra Shot,
Absolutely right about the long haul job, you're not going to get a window seat any time soon, if that's really important then you're better off shooting for QF, CX or something else in Asia. I love domestic flying though, not to mention living in Australia, suits me and Mrs Nelson.
I don't know if there's any truth to your rumour but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if we lost some 787s at least in the short term simply because there has been quite a bit of chopping and changing of various routes and QF has quite a network plan to roll out with them. Having said that I know we're still making good money from them according to last FY results.
The longer term game might be a bit different though. It should be said being a line pilot I'd be the last person to having any commercial insight to these things.
In any case, I would strongly recommend anyone to have a decent crack at QF before JQ though right now, you'd always have more options and most likely far more command opportunities both because of the expansion and becaause there is too many young captains at JQ. Where there was once a comparative advantage that's no longer the case.
Absolutely right about the long haul job, you're not going to get a window seat any time soon, if that's really important then you're better off shooting for QF, CX or something else in Asia. I love domestic flying though, not to mention living in Australia, suits me and Mrs Nelson.
I don't know if there's any truth to your rumour but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if we lost some 787s at least in the short term simply because there has been quite a bit of chopping and changing of various routes and QF has quite a network plan to roll out with them. Having said that I know we're still making good money from them according to last FY results.
The longer term game might be a bit different though. It should be said being a line pilot I'd be the last person to having any commercial insight to these things.
In any case, I would strongly recommend anyone to have a decent crack at QF before JQ though right now, you'd always have more options and most likely far more command opportunities both because of the expansion and becaause there is too many young captains at JQ. Where there was once a comparative advantage that's no longer the case.
I wouldn't say they're getting rid of any 787s. Apparently number 12 is arriving this year and they are trying to get number 13....or so the rumour goes. New routes being announced etc.
I wouldn't be too concerned with where you go, just try and go somewhere! Once you're in (who cares what's on the tail) with jet time in the logbook, then you can worry about commands and overseas.
I wouldn't be too concerned with where you go, just try and go somewhere! Once you're in (who cares what's on the tail) with jet time in the logbook, then you can worry about commands and overseas.
You were 'unable to do so'? A google search of jetstar pilot eba heralds the document above as the first link.
No offence but if you're that reliant on others that you cant make the simplest of searches then im not sure jq is for you.
No offence but if you're that reliant on others that you cant make the simplest of searches then im not sure jq is for you.
Sometimes special little boys find themselves flying aeroplanes and regardless of their position still find it hard to attract attention from, well...you know who!
So after failing to get said attention, they like to post every 4 days or so on an internet forum, in an attempt to make themselves feel special, just like their mummy told them they were!
Green Goblin,
I take a slightly different view. If you have a choice, and I accept not many do, QF is by far a better option. Although you would start as an SO, promotion at least to a narrow body FO position is likely to be relatively quick over the next few years and command opportunity although a very long time away is likely to be sooner at QF too due to the average age of those on the QF seniority list in combination with the slated expansion. The terms and conditions at QF are clearly better.
If you at least want the option for long haul and you have a 'choice' then to me it's a no brainer.
Again the comparative advantage of getting in to JQ has most likely disappeared now as quick commands will not be happening any longer and it's quite possibly going to be a 15 year wait for a command.
If you want to fly long haul, you're not likely to be happy at JQ as any window seat in a 787 is going to be years away let alone a command position.
For those that have QF as an option or can possibly head straight to CX then you might want to consider carefully lest you spend the next fifteen years complaining about it. Sympathy from the rest of us will only go so far.
Again, I'm pretty happy where I am at JQ, great company with good people living in Australia on an income well above the median Australian, but in the interests of providing clarity to those looking at the long years ahead that's my two cents.
I'd trust your information on the 787 Green Goblin more than I would the other rumours I've heard though, that's sounds like good news.
I take a slightly different view. If you have a choice, and I accept not many do, QF is by far a better option. Although you would start as an SO, promotion at least to a narrow body FO position is likely to be relatively quick over the next few years and command opportunity although a very long time away is likely to be sooner at QF too due to the average age of those on the QF seniority list in combination with the slated expansion. The terms and conditions at QF are clearly better.
If you at least want the option for long haul and you have a 'choice' then to me it's a no brainer.
Again the comparative advantage of getting in to JQ has most likely disappeared now as quick commands will not be happening any longer and it's quite possibly going to be a 15 year wait for a command.
If you want to fly long haul, you're not likely to be happy at JQ as any window seat in a 787 is going to be years away let alone a command position.
For those that have QF as an option or can possibly head straight to CX then you might want to consider carefully lest you spend the next fifteen years complaining about it. Sympathy from the rest of us will only go so far.
Again, I'm pretty happy where I am at JQ, great company with good people living in Australia on an income well above the median Australian, but in the interests of providing clarity to those looking at the long years ahead that's my two cents.
I'd trust your information on the 787 Green Goblin more than I would the other rumours I've heard though, that's sounds like good news.
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I am hoping you could explain me things which made me little confused with your agreement link.l If the agreement quotes 178000 usd/p.a. for a narrow body captain, then why would rishworth or other agencies quote just 11000 usd/month (or ~135000 usd/p.a.)?
Is it like the rest of a pilot salary goes to the agency as their fee to get you a job?
I am sorry to sound noobish, its just that its my first time to get an agency involved, so I am trying to understand how things work with an agency.
The agreement is in AUD.
I don't believe rishworth have any contracts with Jetstar Australia. You may be looking at a contract amount for Jetstar Pacific (in Vietnam)
I don't believe rishworth have any contracts with Jetstar Australia. You may be looking at a contract amount for Jetstar Pacific (in Vietnam)
