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I don't need to make stuff up. The court cases is a class action btw. Yep all good so long as it's not in your back yard. Btw I speak for my self if I have anything I'll say it if you don't like it don't read it that's maybe a little simple for some of you folk but maybe you don't have a life. Or maybe you all live in the city and don't give a dam about anyone else cause it's not in your back yard. And of course none of you have ever ever ever been court out in bad weather. And none of you every complain about the price of power now do you. And no one ever here ever complained about anything. And you all know exactly everything and no one else is alwolled to have any other opposition to your own views. And yes then continue with your low grade attacks on me and the problem I have with spelling. And ever wondered why there Arnt any other lames on here gee wiz. Then casa looking after it all we'll they not and this will and can be proven. Look at the regs requiring lighting of all structures agl. Now tonight go and have a look at how many of these are lighted. So hands up who when some one is cleaned up is going to face the family's and say well bit tough that sorry. Or like most off you go arrr F$&@. Maybe it may be you or your friend. Then what will you think. But as for now it's in someone else back yard and we'll you really could not give a stuff.
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When Tony, (ask me about Swans budget), Abbott, shuts down the whole renewable energy targets, the decaying wind turbines should stay where they are as monuments to the failed social experiment that was the fraudulent Labor/ Green government, now in exile. No statue could memorialize and symbolize the historic ugliness of the term in office or the continued defence of the incompetence. Failing this, and only if someone can justify their usefulness as a serious alternative to conventional power generation, they should be painted day-glow orange to give the Greens the $hits and further irritate scud runners.
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yr right - You're talking about the U.S. - where stubbing your toe on the step of a shop because you didn't lift your feet, entitles you to launch a mega-million dollar lawsuit.
Where you can launch a mega-million dollar lawsuit for shock and trauma because the aircraft made a loud funny noise right after lift-off, and you thought you were going to die.
Where you can sue someone for putting a mountain in the way of where you wanted to fly, and you ran into it. Gimme a break.
I'll use one of the the newest and biggest windfarms as an example - Collgar, located approximately 15km SE of Merredin, W.A.
Merredin Aerodrome is located 10km W of the windfarm, and two private operators have airstrips located 7.5km and 3.6km respectively from the windfarm.
The Environmental Assessment involved an airspace study carried out by Airport Assist P/L.
The study concluded the windfarm (consisting of 127 horizontal-axis turbine generators spread over 126 sq km, with the towers being 80M high and the blades approximately 45M in diameter) will have negligible effect on aviation.
Consultation was carried out with all relevant aviation interests and authorities - CASA, Airservices Australia, the RFDS, the CSWAFC, officers of the Shire of Merredin and neighbouring shires, local aircraft operators, the aviation policy branch of the Department of Planning & Infrastructure, and the RAAF.
Initial plans proposed 165M high wind turbines, the final design came in at 125M high. This windfarm has been in operation for nearly 2 years, and AFAIK, there have been no aviation incidents involving this windfarm.
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/pd...-Main-Text.pdf
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/pd...pace-Study.pdf
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/li...rial-view-2012
http://mervfrench.files.wordpress.co..._2425-copy.jpg
Re the comment about wind turbines being placed on ridges in hilly or mountainous country - the Collgar Windfarm is positioned on slightly undulating, but virtually flat terrain, and would potentially provide a greater threat to aviation, due to pilots possibly being more alert to projections in hilly or mountainous country - whereas in relatively flat, somewhat featureless terrain, some pilots would tend to fall into a belief that "there's nothing to hit out here".
Regardless, nothing beats studying up on your NOTAMS and being aware of the possible hazards of the area you are flying into or over. There's no difference between a large HT power pylon or a wind turbine, if you don't know it's there, and fly into it.
A turbulence effect 10kms downstream of a wind turbine sounds like tinfoil hat stuff. What's the wake turbulence clearance for a heavy? - that would generate substantially more turbulence than a wind turbine? It's not 10kms, that's for sure.
Where you can launch a mega-million dollar lawsuit for shock and trauma because the aircraft made a loud funny noise right after lift-off, and you thought you were going to die.
Where you can sue someone for putting a mountain in the way of where you wanted to fly, and you ran into it. Gimme a break.
What airfields in Australia, and how "near" are they?
Merredin Aerodrome is located 10km W of the windfarm, and two private operators have airstrips located 7.5km and 3.6km respectively from the windfarm.
The Environmental Assessment involved an airspace study carried out by Airport Assist P/L.
The study concluded the windfarm (consisting of 127 horizontal-axis turbine generators spread over 126 sq km, with the towers being 80M high and the blades approximately 45M in diameter) will have negligible effect on aviation.
Consultation was carried out with all relevant aviation interests and authorities - CASA, Airservices Australia, the RFDS, the CSWAFC, officers of the Shire of Merredin and neighbouring shires, local aircraft operators, the aviation policy branch of the Department of Planning & Infrastructure, and the RAAF.
Initial plans proposed 165M high wind turbines, the final design came in at 125M high. This windfarm has been in operation for nearly 2 years, and AFAIK, there have been no aviation incidents involving this windfarm.
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/pd...-Main-Text.pdf
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/pd...pace-Study.pdf
http://www.collgarwindfarm.com.au/li...rial-view-2012
http://mervfrench.files.wordpress.co..._2425-copy.jpg
Re the comment about wind turbines being placed on ridges in hilly or mountainous country - the Collgar Windfarm is positioned on slightly undulating, but virtually flat terrain, and would potentially provide a greater threat to aviation, due to pilots possibly being more alert to projections in hilly or mountainous country - whereas in relatively flat, somewhat featureless terrain, some pilots would tend to fall into a belief that "there's nothing to hit out here".
Regardless, nothing beats studying up on your NOTAMS and being aware of the possible hazards of the area you are flying into or over. There's no difference between a large HT power pylon or a wind turbine, if you don't know it's there, and fly into it.
A turbulence effect 10kms downstream of a wind turbine sounds like tinfoil hat stuff. What's the wake turbulence clearance for a heavy? - that would generate substantially more turbulence than a wind turbine? It's not 10kms, that's for sure.
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Squawk 7700 said "I know someone that made over $100m out of his wind farm .... I've never heard him complaining about them for some reason"
This is typical of the tripe posted on here as fact.
At the current rate of lease per tower that would be 16,000 towers. Now the biggest windfarm in Oz will have around 420 and that will be over a lot of properties when it's finished so where is this one with 16,000?
This is typical of the tripe posted on here as fact.
At the current rate of lease per tower that would be 16,000 towers. Now the biggest windfarm in Oz will have around 420 and that will be over a lot of properties when it's finished so where is this one with 16,000?
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Ah now yr right, I was just yanking your chain a little. 
But I will explain why I mocked your posts on this thread. Bit rude. Sorry about that. FWIW, no-one is mocking your grammar. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone, and all that.
Wake turbulence doesn't extend 10km downwind of a wind turbine, any more than it extends 33,000' below a large helicopter. Some say you can hear wind turbines 10km away, although having experience with them myself, I doubt it.
Wind turbines are not motored in light winds. Why on earth would they be? Perhaps they are during installation testing. But not routinely. They do routinely use grid power to revolve the entire head, to face into wind. This effort more than pays for itself in the next wind gust.
I have been caught out in bad weather, although fortunately I did something about it before having to descend below 500', or penetrate a marked danger area / dangerous area. (Luck or good training? I claim no superior innate skill, either way.) We trained our pilots to climb at Vy, wings level, in IMC, rather than flying below 500' due weather. Paperwork afterwards, naturally...
I've also routinely flown below MSA at night, VFR, legally. I did not fly in the vicinity of wind turbines. Good training, from others wiser than I.
Possibly the temptation to scud run is less when your CAA will prosecute for any breach of the low flying rules, weather being no excuse. It certainly sharpens the mind as a junior pilot tempted to cut a corner or two. Food for thought for Australia perhaps.
Wind turbines are here to stay, whether we like them or not. Too much invested in them to do otherwise, at least until nuclear fusion becomes practical! They are a blight on the natural landscape, it's true, but so are most "civilised" structures. Do we think coal & oil are going to get cheaper? But wind power will. For example, research is proceeding on how to build a large generator without using expensive rare earths. As an investor in Lynas Corp, I hope they fail. But they will succeed, I'm sure.
Hope this post generates more light than heat.
But I will explain why I mocked your posts on this thread. Bit rude. Sorry about that. FWIW, no-one is mocking your grammar. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone, and all that.
Wake turbulence doesn't extend 10km downwind of a wind turbine, any more than it extends 33,000' below a large helicopter. Some say you can hear wind turbines 10km away, although having experience with them myself, I doubt it.
Wind turbines are not motored in light winds. Why on earth would they be? Perhaps they are during installation testing. But not routinely. They do routinely use grid power to revolve the entire head, to face into wind. This effort more than pays for itself in the next wind gust.
I have been caught out in bad weather, although fortunately I did something about it before having to descend below 500', or penetrate a marked danger area / dangerous area. (Luck or good training? I claim no superior innate skill, either way.) We trained our pilots to climb at Vy, wings level, in IMC, rather than flying below 500' due weather. Paperwork afterwards, naturally...
I've also routinely flown below MSA at night, VFR, legally. I did not fly in the vicinity of wind turbines. Good training, from others wiser than I.
Possibly the temptation to scud run is less when your CAA will prosecute for any breach of the low flying rules, weather being no excuse. It certainly sharpens the mind as a junior pilot tempted to cut a corner or two. Food for thought for Australia perhaps.
Wind turbines are here to stay, whether we like them or not. Too much invested in them to do otherwise, at least until nuclear fusion becomes practical! They are a blight on the natural landscape, it's true, but so are most "civilised" structures. Do we think coal & oil are going to get cheaper? But wind power will. For example, research is proceeding on how to build a large generator without using expensive rare earths. As an investor in Lynas Corp, I hope they fail. But they will succeed, I'm sure.
Hope this post generates more light than heat.
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One when you wake up and realize you have been coned you can pull it down the other it's all over red rover and you stuck with it. For all you non believers about the length of turbulence we'll you been warned and to stay a heavy has more we'll just how is that. One moves and the other is stationary and continues to move and increase it's length
This is typical of the tripe posted on here as fact.
At the current rate of lease per tower that would be 16,000 towers. Now the biggest windfarm in Oz will have around 420 and that will be over a lot of properties when it's finished so where is this one with 16,000?
At the current rate of lease per tower that would be 16,000 towers. Now the biggest windfarm in Oz will have around 420 and that will be over a lot of properties when it's finished so where is this one with 16,000?
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We'll incorrect about the length I can say that with my hand on my heart. It happened. And as for them staying we'll yes some may but some may not and some have been diened to be set up. As for hearing them we'll that's up to the person hearing it. I've not said any thing about the medical effects on people and that's clearly a problem and although some try to silence that it's is a problem. Yep some people get compensation for having them on there properties the naubour doesn't in most cases and yet they cop it in noise devalues in property prices etc etc. they divide and concur
yr right, do you have a spell checker? If so, please use it so we more educated folk aren't subjected to your poor spelling mistakes!
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Oh Jack I do so love your posts:
What "medical effects" could possibly arise from wind farms? If someone is allergic to wind they are in serious trouble, or is it the equipment?
Steel, carbon fibre, copper, fibreglass.....nope not toxic.
Perhaps it's the asbestos wrapped depleted uranium core with the vaporising arsenic regurgitation sprayer that's the problem.
Who is trying to silence the medical problem, and how could they possibly do that when any tw@t with a keyboard can broadcast their thoughts worldwide instantaneously?
(Que people calling me a tw@t with a keyboard)
What "medical effects" could possibly arise from wind farms? If someone is allergic to wind they are in serious trouble, or is it the equipment?
Steel, carbon fibre, copper, fibreglass.....nope not toxic.
Perhaps it's the asbestos wrapped depleted uranium core with the vaporising arsenic regurgitation sprayer that's the problem.
Who is trying to silence the medical problem, and how could they possibly do that when any tw@t with a keyboard can broadcast their thoughts worldwide instantaneously?
(Que people calling me a tw@t with a keyboard)
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I asked the question:
The only answer I've received so far is:
Doesn't sound too dramatic to me.
Who needs to fly that low that close to an airstrip, in non-VMC?
What airfields in Australia, and how "near" are they?
I'll use one of the the newest and biggest windfarms as an example - Collgar, located approximately 15km SE of Merredin, W.A.
Merredin Aerodrome is located 10km W of the windfarm, and two private operators have airstrips located 7.5km and 3.6km respectively from the windfarm.
Merredin Aerodrome is located 10km W of the windfarm, and two private operators have airstrips located 7.5km and 3.6km respectively from the windfarm.
Who needs to fly that low that close to an airstrip, in non-VMC?