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Love Thy Neighbour?
Althenick,
Happily, I think this particular thread has run it's course, and I feel that the consensus has also moved in the right direction. I feel you will disagree with that view straight away. I have to address some of your points!
"In the 70's, we had a program over here called Love thy Neighbour". Really?
Where do you think I am, Mars? Would that be the Love Thy Neighbour with Jack Smethurst, and Rudolph Walker? (not to mention Nina Baden Semper). Makes me wanna 'Mind My Language'.
The show was introduced as a light hearted approach to difficult issues arising from people of different cultures having to learn to live together, but an approach where the bigoted Smethursts views were exposed to ridcule, whilst the wives looked on in quiet disbelief. It was not directly because "a fair amount of Afro-Carribeans, Pakistani's, were filling up the country. In many of our big port cities, various immigrants have been here for over 150 years. In your own words - get over it.
The key points are that the name of the dog and the code word for a successful strike on the Mohne Dam were Nigger (the codes for the Sorpe and Eder anyone?). That is not going to be deleted. Accept that attitudes have changes, will continue to change, as society moves onwards. The story will be told over and updated for new generations to marvel, but they will not dwell on a pet's name.
Happily, I think this particular thread has run it's course, and I feel that the consensus has also moved in the right direction. I feel you will disagree with that view straight away. I have to address some of your points!
"In the 70's, we had a program over here called Love thy Neighbour". Really?
Where do you think I am, Mars? Would that be the Love Thy Neighbour with Jack Smethurst, and Rudolph Walker? (not to mention Nina Baden Semper). Makes me wanna 'Mind My Language'.
The show was introduced as a light hearted approach to difficult issues arising from people of different cultures having to learn to live together, but an approach where the bigoted Smethursts views were exposed to ridcule, whilst the wives looked on in quiet disbelief. It was not directly because "a fair amount of Afro-Carribeans, Pakistani's, were filling up the country. In many of our big port cities, various immigrants have been here for over 150 years. In your own words - get over it.
The key points are that the name of the dog and the code word for a successful strike on the Mohne Dam were Nigger (the codes for the Sorpe and Eder anyone?). That is not going to be deleted. Accept that attitudes have changes, will continue to change, as society moves onwards. The story will be told over and updated for new generations to marvel, but they will not dwell on a pet's name.
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Originally Posted by Cobra92
"In the 70's, we had a program over here called Love thy Neighbour". Really?
Where do you think I am, Mars? Would that be the Love Thy Neighbour with Jack Smethurst, and Rudolph Walker? (not to mention Nina Baden Semper). Makes me wanna 'Mind My Language'.
The show was introduced as a light hearted approach to difficult issues arising from people of different cultures having to learn to live together, but an approach where the bigoted Smethursts views were exposed to ridcule, whilst the wives looked on in quiet disbelief. It was not directly because "a fair amount of Afro-Carribeans, Pakistani's, were filling up the country. In many of our big port cities, various immigrants have been here for over 150 years. In your own words - get over it.
Where do you think I am, Mars? Would that be the Love Thy Neighbour with Jack Smethurst, and Rudolph Walker? (not to mention Nina Baden Semper). Makes me wanna 'Mind My Language'.
The show was introduced as a light hearted approach to difficult issues arising from people of different cultures having to learn to live together, but an approach where the bigoted Smethursts views were exposed to ridcule, whilst the wives looked on in quiet disbelief. It was not directly because "a fair amount of Afro-Carribeans, Pakistani's, were filling up the country. In many of our big port cities, various immigrants have been here for over 150 years. In your own words - get over it.
I think it is a universal human theme to address how best to adapt to changing social circumstances.
Could we get away with that show today? Not on your life. And yet, sadly, that, in my view, is far worse a statement than the fact we had the show in the first place.
PC is not about integration or acceptance, it's about intolerance of those who claim to be preaching tolerance for those they view as not using their lexicon. I heard it once explained as, "The idea that one can pick up a turd by the clean end."
Despite what the PC brigade would have you be brainwashed into thinking, one can be perfectly tolerant and accepting and generally a good human being towards his fellow man and still use words however he so chooses. Once again, what I mean with my words is mine, not yours, to decide. Intent is that which is in the mind of the speaker, not the ears of the listener.
PC is the first step towards having a Ministry of Truth. The next step is the thought police.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
The dog was tragically killed, immediately before the raid yet Gibson was able to put his feelings aside and concentrate on the job. Callous, unfeeling, or simply an inspiring example of leadership that winning the battle came first?
The dog allows various levels of allegory; its name is an historical fact but other than that irrelevant.
Digressing slightly, one our sqn we had a chap called Woody. My son in law has a dog called Woody. Will woody become a non-word in due course?
If you want to watch an excellent movie which is full of creative and positive use of the word "Nigger" then ceck out Tarantino's lates offering "Django Unchained"
No mealy mouthed, beating around the bush nonsense there !
Check it out.
El G.
No mealy mouthed, beating around the bush nonsense there !
Check it out.
El G.
They could easily have remade the film without ANY reference to the scabby mutt's name or to the actual codeword.
But that would have had the UKIP idiots fulminating in their beer.
But that would have had the UKIP idiots fulminating in their beer.
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Open letter to Mr S Fry and Mr P Jackson ...
Dear Mr Fry and Mr Jackson,
I wish to volunteer my pedigree Black Labrador for the forthcoming remake of the Dambusters Film. He is twelve years of age, energetic and good at learning script/lines. He's very comfortable around RAF Aircrew, but will admit to a slight "hang-up" with Chinook helicopters when one bounced into his exercise area when he was a puppy !
He will happily respond to any "name" you choose to use for Gibson's Dog ... we know him as Harvey (named after the famous Brewery here in East Sussex) ... but he's not sensitive on such matters.
Hope to hear from both of you soon.
Casting Couch picture attached ...
As you can see he would be ideal for Crew Room scenes
Best regards ...
Coff.
I wish to volunteer my pedigree Black Labrador for the forthcoming remake of the Dambusters Film. He is twelve years of age, energetic and good at learning script/lines. He's very comfortable around RAF Aircrew, but will admit to a slight "hang-up" with Chinook helicopters when one bounced into his exercise area when he was a puppy !
He will happily respond to any "name" you choose to use for Gibson's Dog ... we know him as Harvey (named after the famous Brewery here in East Sussex) ... but he's not sensitive on such matters.
Hope to hear from both of you soon.
Casting Couch picture attached ...
As you can see he would be ideal for Crew Room scenes
Best regards ...
Coff.
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Yup, similar to post office red another colour consigned to the history books..
The PC thing could spread:
how about
niggle
niggler*
niggling
dark
darkness
darkenning
darkly*
packer*
packing
chin
chinny*
* are very dangerous to say out loud on public transport or in the bar.
Joking apart, I revisited Woodhall Spa yesterday: memorial, Petwood Hotel for bar snack and a look in the squadron bar. The dog thing does seem very insignificant and I cannot think the Chastise crews would have given a stuff about the dog's name. The code word is a bit different, that is rewriting history rather severely.
Just get on and make the film!
how about
niggle
niggler*
niggling
dark
darkness
darkenning
darkly*
packer*
packing
chin
chinny*
* are very dangerous to say out loud on public transport or in the bar.
Joking apart, I revisited Woodhall Spa yesterday: memorial, Petwood Hotel for bar snack and a look in the squadron bar. The dog thing does seem very insignificant and I cannot think the Chastise crews would have given a stuff about the dog's name. The code word is a bit different, that is rewriting history rather severely.
Just get on and make the film!
US Herk
IIRC your Archie Bunker was based on 'our' character, Alf Garnett, the cockney loudmouth in 'Till death us do part'.
I seem to remember the TV Room in the OM was always heaving when the programme was on, but maybe because everyone wanted to get the best seat before 'Top of the Pops' featuring Pan's People (
) started!
B48N, (UK Herc)
I seem to remember the TV Room in the OM was always heaving when the programme was on, but maybe because everyone wanted to get the best seat before 'Top of the Pops' featuring Pan's People (
) started!B48N, (UK Herc)
...'Top of the Pops' featuring Pan's People...
Sue Menhenick was my favourite....
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