An FTRS RAF?
Can anybody explain the rationale behind the pay abatement? It seems not only unfair but plain wrong to my simple brain. That you have to leave one job and physically apply and be selected for the second to my mind implies 2 completely separate and unrelated jobs, where previous knowledge and experience are the only connecting factor. So why does the FTRS post pay less? Surely there should be a rate for a job that gets paid regardless of ones other sources of income.
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Wg Cdr after 11 years?! You clearly knew something I don't!
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On that basis, 11 year to get one promotion seems workable.
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Firstly I think biggus just increased the RAF numbers by 10k up to 41 thousand. I may have missed the memo but isn't 31 and change the answer?
I think it was said on here after the SDSR 15 announcements that a fair amount of manpower numbers magic was required to find the people for SDSR outcomes. The RAF was to uplift by around 250 posts by 2020. This included manning 2 extra typhoon squadrons, retaining 2 C-130j squadrons and manning a complete MPA force. In addition extending sentinel and RPAS where the posts were often on the black economy or lifed. All of this does not fit into 250 posts. 1500 maybe. So my take is that in addition to reserves being in fashion (cheaper) it's an attempt to free up numbers to man all the kit within headcount. Just a theory mind you....
I think it was said on here after the SDSR 15 announcements that a fair amount of manpower numbers magic was required to find the people for SDSR outcomes. The RAF was to uplift by around 250 posts by 2020. This included manning 2 extra typhoon squadrons, retaining 2 C-130j squadrons and manning a complete MPA force. In addition extending sentinel and RPAS where the posts were often on the black economy or lifed. All of this does not fit into 250 posts. 1500 maybe. So my take is that in addition to reserves being in fashion (cheaper) it's an attempt to free up numbers to man all the kit within headcount. Just a theory mind you....
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41 thousand. I may have missed the memo but isn't 31 and change the answer?
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You know you're getting old when wg cdrs look like school boys. Picture in today's local rag of a wg cdr at Coningsby. Interesting, he is with a Typhoon nav. Make for some interesting pprune arguments in years to come.
A number of the jobs I see advertised for FTRS are based on the need for continuity in post - not my words but those of a soon to retire 3*. However, I am just about to get my 6th Desk Officer/Career Manager (whatever they are called this week) in 9 years, surely this is the one area that should be FTRS'd from the top down? At least they would have to live with the consequences of their decisions. Thoughts.........?
A number of the jobs I see advertised for FTRS are based on the need for continuity in post - not my words but those of a soon to retire 3*. However, I am just about to get my 6th Desk Officer/Career Manager (whatever they are called this week) in 9 years, surely this is the one area that should be FTRS'd from the top down? At least they would have to live with the consequences of their decisions. Thoughts.........?
I used to describe such things as 'NIMT' programmes - Not In My Tour. In other words, issues squirrelled away until sprung on the next incumbent when the previous post holder escaped.
FM-immunity was one such farce. Due to no-one at Wyton having been aware of the issue in time, the only aircraft at Brize which met FM-immunity requirements by the deadline were the 4 x PA-28s of the Flying Club....
FM-immunity was one such farce. Due to no-one at Wyton having been aware of the issue in time, the only aircraft at Brize which met FM-immunity requirements by the deadline were the 4 x PA-28s of the Flying Club....
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So why is this an issue? A positive recommendation for promotion means that you have been assessed as having the competencies to perform in the next rank. Unless of course the RO lacks the moral courage to tell it as it is and awards a positive recommendation in order to keep you quiet knowing that in the regulars it is never going to happen!
FTRS is a great way for advancement for those who are unable to get promoted as a regular. Recognised as an 'issue' by manning as to apply for a post above your current rank you only need a 'positive' promo rec, which wouldn't normally get you promoted! Not sure what, if anything they can do about it though!
So why is this an issue? A positive recommendation for promotion means that you have been assessed as having the competencies to perform in the next rank. Unless of course the RO lacks the moral courage to tell it as it is and awards a positive recommendation in order to keep you quiet knowing that in the regulars it is never going to happen!
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Can anybody explain the rationale behind the pay abatement? It seems not only unfair but plain wrong to my simple brain. That you have to leave one job and physically apply and be selected for the second to my mind implies 2 completely separate and unrelated jobs, where previous knowledge and experience are the only connecting factor. So why does the FTRS post pay less? Surely there should be a rate for a job that gets paid regardless of ones other sources of income.
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Firstly I think biggus just increased the RAF numbers by 10k up to 41 thousand. I may have missed the memo but isn't 31 and change the answer?
I think it was said on here after the SDSR 15 announcements that a fair amount of manpower numbers magic was required to find the people for SDSR outcomes. The RAF was to uplift by around 250 posts by 2020. This included manning 2 extra typhoon squadrons, retaining 2 C-130j squadrons and manning a complete MPA force. In addition extending sentinel and RPAS where the posts were often on the black economy or lifed. All of this does not fit into 250 posts. 1500 maybe. So my take is that in addition to reserves being in fashion (cheaper) it's an attempt to free up numbers to man all the kit within headcount. Just a theory mind you....
I think it was said on here after the SDSR 15 announcements that a fair amount of manpower numbers magic was required to find the people for SDSR outcomes. The RAF was to uplift by around 250 posts by 2020. This included manning 2 extra typhoon squadrons, retaining 2 C-130j squadrons and manning a complete MPA force. In addition extending sentinel and RPAS where the posts were often on the black economy or lifed. All of this does not fit into 250 posts. 1500 maybe. So my take is that in addition to reserves being in fashion (cheaper) it's an attempt to free up numbers to man all the kit within headcount. Just a theory mind you....
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The fact that the FTRS "pay" is subject to a deduction of your pension payment makes it less attractive.
If you leave and have a monthly pension, you get that as well as the money you make working in Tesco. If you come back, almost, and take an FTRS role, they count the pension payment as part of your salary for the new job.
If you leave and have a monthly pension, you get that as well as the money you make working in Tesco. If you come back, almost, and take an FTRS role, they count the pension payment as part of your salary for the new job.
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Airpolice, I believe the abatement is fixed
Ie as time goes on you them draw ahead as you pension and pay are increased through pay uplift and pensions increase
Ie as time goes on you them draw ahead as you pension and pay are increased through pay uplift and pensions increase
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PN, for a guy retiring on say £18,000 a year pension, taking a job with Tesco on £28,000 he is now earning £46,000 but if he comes in to take an FTRS job at £46,000 he is only getting the £46,000 as his pension is taken into account.
Tesco don't care about the pension money.
Tesco don't care about the pension money.
I used to describe such things as 'NIMT' programmes - Not In My Tour. In other words, issues squirrelled away until sprung on the next incumbent when the previous post holder escaped. - BEagle
Very similar to the alleged practice in the former Ship Department in Bath whereby civilian members of the Royal Corps of Naval Constructors would wait until uniformed colleagues were shipped out before dusting off their own in-house ideas once more. They also were claimed to have a big rubber stamp embossed with "NIH", standing for "Not Invented Here".
Of course I could not possibly comment on whether either - or both! - of these practices transferred to Abbey Wood....
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Very similar to the alleged practice in the former Ship Department in Bath whereby civilian members of the Royal Corps of Naval Constructors would wait until uniformed colleagues were shipped out before dusting off their own in-house ideas once more. They also were claimed to have a big rubber stamp embossed with "NIH", standing for "Not Invented Here".
Of course I could not possibly comment on whether either - or both! - of these practices transferred to Abbey Wood....
Jack
