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A quick question for those who may be able to help. I am curious to know what initial rank DEO and ADFA Officer Cadets are provided upon completion of initial employment training? I have heard both PLTOFF and FLGOFF.
@frappe: Are you sure? I was under the impression that directly after having completed ADFA, cadets were awarded the rank of FLGOFF (pre employment training), and DEO were awarded the rank of PLTOFF having completed OTS. I have also heard that degree qualified DEO candidates who graduate OTS are awarded a FLGOFF rank.
Happy to be corrected as I can't find where I read this, and may be outdated, but this was certainly the impression I got after my conversation with a FLTLT last week.
I should've clarified I'm probably not an extremely reliable source, I was just going off what I'd read on the RAAF and defencejobs sites, so I could be very wrong, but I haven't heard anything about degree-qualified applicants going straight to FLGOFF. I'd be interested to know if anyone knows for sure though.
DEO have the rank of OFFCDT until finishing Pilots course. Then if you have a Degree you will be given the rank of FLGOFF, if you do not you will be a PLTOFF. For ADFA graduates they are given PLTOFF on completion from ADFA unless they are Btech Aero students, who remain an OFFCDT. They only do two years at ADFA, using pilots course as the final year of their degree. Upon successful completion of Pilots course all ADFA graduates assume FLGOFF.
You will find the answers to all of your questions, and many that you have not yet asked in the contents of this thread. I would suggest reading through the entire thing as soon as possible; I've found it a great source of information and invaluable in terms of preparation for the recruiting process. Also in terms of what to expect and what the ADF are looking for, the "Wings" book is also a good preparation tool if you can afford the $40 to buy it: Get Your Wings
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Originally Posted by Rogan82
DEO have the rank of OFFCDT until finishing Pilots course. Then if you have a Degree you will be given the rank of FLGOFF, if you do not you will be a PLTOFF. For ADFA graduates they are given PLTOFF on completion from ADFA unless they are Btech Aero students, who remain an OFFCDT. They only do two years at ADFA, using pilots course as the final year of their degree. Upon successful completion of Pilots course all ADFA graduates assume FLGOFF.
Ah, this makes sense.. and would explain why there isn't an outstanding ROSO for DEO candidates who fail their employment training. I was assuming that the increase in pay having finished OTS was for a commission.
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I'd highly recommend you message one of the moderators or admins here and see if you can get that username of yours changed, as well as editing your post so that your full name isn't present.
It's all well and good to allow the thread participants to become familiar with you, but using your real name on the internet in conjunction with some specific details about your activity in a place where your anonymity in the recruiting process and personal security in general can be compromised is not a smart move. Facebook notwithstanding.
The information regarding the BTech guys at ADFA is a little dated. All degrees are now a minimum of three years in length and ADFA RAAF undergraduates all leave as PLTOFFs and receive their next promotion upon gaining their wings. Promotion to FLTLT is then, from memory, five years after that although that may have changed with the new promotion requirements.
Hi, Just wondering if anyone on here could tell me if offers for ADFA pilot come out today? If not today, then can anyone tell me the correct date please?
Depends on how you performed during your YOU session, specialist testing and assesment day. There isn't really any way of knowing for sure. Talk to your case manager and ask them how competative you are for a position.
The FSP is a selection process/tool not a training device.
Previous flying experience (PFE) is used to determine which level of FSP you complete. Do NOT limit yourself by fantasy PFE limits in order to control which level of FSP you complete. Fly if you are passionate and can afford to. If you cannot fly then know LOTS about aircraft, particulalrly the aircraft type you want to fly. The key here is to show the assessors that you are as keen as mustard for the job. There are many ways of showing this and PFE is just one of those ways.
There would probably be nothing more frustrating for a board officer than interviewing a candidate who knows nothing about the job and is not passionate about the role.
The need for fast jet pilots is probably increasing all the time and the need for multi engined pilots is probably limited by excesses in the system. READ- RAAF probably highly focussed on fast jet selection, though there will always be some requirement to recruit and train pilots for ME aircraft.
However, the FSP and PSA are not RAAF centric and a career in either of the other services is guaranteed to provide a challenging and very rewarding career opportunity so don't get hung up on RAAF. Look around at what the other services can offer.
Passion and a determined and focussed application is key. If you're not in this category then you should look at other careers. It is competitive. It is challenging and it will be exciting and it can be disappointing. Just like the real job!
Remember the 6 P's. Prior Preparation Prevents Poor Performance
Well said W.W. I would strongly advise all those whom aspire to fly in the ADF to read and remember Winged Wombat's post. He speaks the truth. I would like to think I know what I'm talking about in this regard (however I'm sure someone will challange me on that one!) as I was on staff at BFTS for 7 1/2 years.
"By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread (unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?
Just put yourself in the board's shoes. They have to work out what risk each candidate presents. Your FSP result is one important link in that decision making matrix. You NEED to do as well as you possibly can at the FSP. The rest is probably all about your personal qualities and why you're asking to become a pilot with Defence. Think about what's driving you.
Imagine you are about to decide to employ someone who is going to cost you about $4M to train before you even get any production out of them. By the way it's probably about $10M for a fast jet pilot. What questions would you ask and how would you decide whether the risk is appropriate or not. It's not rocket science.
You'll probably never be fully prepared for the OSB. Accept that. There will likely be questions you can't answer. However if you are motivated correctly you will easily be able to answer most questions because you're naturally interested in the subject. Don't kid yourself. Unless your absolutely and relentlessly driven about the opportunity, you probably won't be successful.
All the pilots I know remain completely addicted to aircraft and aviation, whether they're in the civilian industry like me or still in the military side of things. It's a bug and you'll know if you've got it or not because you just can't get rid of it.
Poor Performance
