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Old 12th Dec 2012, 05:23   #2341 (permalink)
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 06:20   #2342 (permalink)
 
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DEO have the rank of OFFCDT until finishing Pilots course. Then if you have a Degree you will be given the rank of FLGOFF, if you do not you will be a PLTOFF.
For ADFA graduates they are given PLTOFF on completion from ADFA unless they are Btech Aero students, who remain an OFFCDT. They only do two years at ADFA, using pilots course as the final year of their degree. Upon successful completion of Pilots course all ADFA graduates assume FLGOFF.
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 21:46   #2343 (permalink)
 
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Hi Brendan,

You will find the answers to all of your questions, and many that you have not yet asked in the contents of this thread. I would suggest reading through the entire thing as soon as possible; I've found it a great source of information and invaluable in terms of preparation for the recruiting process.
Also in terms of what to expect and what the ADF are looking for, the "Wings" book is also a good preparation tool if you can afford the $40 to buy it: Get Your Wings

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DEO have the rank of OFFCDT until finishing Pilots course. Then if you have a Degree you will be given the rank of FLGOFF, if you do not you will be a PLTOFF.
For ADFA graduates they are given PLTOFF on completion from ADFA unless they are Btech Aero students, who remain an OFFCDT. They only do two years at ADFA, using pilots course as the final year of their degree. Upon successful completion of Pilots course all ADFA graduates assume FLGOFF.
Ah, this makes sense.. and would explain why there isn't an outstanding ROSO for DEO candidates who fail their employment training. I was assuming that the increase in pay having finished OTS was for a commission.

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Old 13th Dec 2012, 01:32   #2344 (permalink)
 
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Brendan,

I'd highly recommend you message one of the moderators or admins here and see if you can get that username of yours changed, as well as editing your post so that your full name isn't present.

It's all well and good to allow the thread participants to become familiar with you, but using your real name on the internet in conjunction with some specific details about your activity in a place where your anonymity in the recruiting process and personal security in general can be compromised is not a smart move. Facebook notwithstanding.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 09:06   #2345 (permalink)
 
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The information regarding the BTech guys at ADFA is a little dated. All degrees are now a minimum of three years in length and ADFA RAAF undergraduates all leave as PLTOFFs and receive their next promotion upon gaining their wings. Promotion to FLTLT is then, from memory, five years after that although that may have changed with the new promotion requirements.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 12:52   #2346 (permalink)
 
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That was a few years ago. I didn't evan question why there was no OFFCDT ADFA graduates coming through here now.
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Old 17th Dec 2012, 01:35   #2347 (permalink)
 
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After having a conversation with my enlistment coordinator today, I can confirm that they've changed the structure of FSP to split courses into:

Basic: <10 hours
Intermediate: 10-50 hours
Advanced: 50+ hours
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Old 20th Dec 2012, 02:13   #2348 (permalink)
 
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ADFA Pilot Offers

Hi,
Just wondering if anyone on here could tell me if offers for ADFA pilot come out today? If not today, then can anyone tell me the correct date please?

Thanks in advance,
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 21:12   #2349 (permalink)
 
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Does anyone know how long it takes to get on a FSP course?
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 01:32   #2350 (permalink)
 
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Depends on how you performed during your YOU session, specialist testing and assesment day. There isn't really any way of knowing for sure. Talk to your case manager and ask them how competative you are for a position.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 22:46   #2351 (permalink)
 
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thanks. Have had a couple of case managers that do not seem overly informed.
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Old 31st Dec 2012, 02:38   #2352 (permalink)
 
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After having a conversation with my enlistment coordinator today, I can confirm that they've changed the structure of FSP to split courses into:

Basic: <10 hours
Intermediate: 10-50 hours
Advanced: 50+ hours
Hi VS,
Does this means flying experience of candidates?
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Old 4th Jan 2013, 00:55   #2353 (permalink)
 
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Does this means flying experience of candidates?
Yes.
The best (read: easiest) way for people to do it is just stay below 10.0 hours.

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Old 8th Jan 2013, 21:50   #2354 (permalink)
 
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Some Advice

The FSP is a selection process/tool not a training device.

Previous flying experience (PFE) is used to determine which level of FSP you complete. Do NOT limit yourself by fantasy PFE limits in order to control which level of FSP you complete. Fly if you are passionate and can afford to. If you cannot fly then know LOTS about aircraft, particulalrly the aircraft type you want to fly. The key here is to show the assessors that you are as keen as mustard for the job. There are many ways of showing this and PFE is just one of those ways.

There would probably be nothing more frustrating for a board officer than interviewing a candidate who knows nothing about the job and is not passionate about the role.

The need for fast jet pilots is probably increasing all the time and the need for multi engined pilots is probably limited by excesses in the system. READ- RAAF probably highly focussed on fast jet selection, though there will always be some requirement to recruit and train pilots for ME aircraft.

However, the FSP and PSA are not RAAF centric and a career in either of the other services is guaranteed to provide a challenging and very rewarding career opportunity so don't get hung up on RAAF. Look around at what the other services can offer.

Passion and a determined and focussed application is key. If you're not in this category then you should look at other careers. It is competitive. It is challenging and it will be exciting and it can be disappointing. Just like the real job!

Remember the 6 P's. Prior Preparation Prevents Poor Performance
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Old 8th Jan 2013, 23:26   #2355 (permalink)
 
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Well said W.W.
I would strongly advise all those whom aspire to fly in the ADF to read and remember Winged Wombat's post. He speaks the truth.
I would like to think I know what I'm talking about in this regard (however I'm sure someone will challange me on that one!) as I was on staff at BFTS for 7 1/2 years.
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 02:55   #2356 (permalink)
 
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GU,

You asked .....

"By the way, does anyone know what kind of questions they
ask at OSB? Even the generic ones would be great, because so far in this thread
(unless I've missed it) they say prepare for OSB, but I don't know the
questions, so how can I prepare for questions I don't know right?

Just put yourself in the board's shoes. They have to work out what risk each candidate presents. Your FSP result is one important link in that decision making matrix. You NEED to do as well as you possibly can at the FSP. The rest is probably all about your personal qualities and why you're asking to become a pilot with Defence. Think about what's driving you.

Imagine you are about to decide to employ someone who is going to cost you about $4M to train before you even get any production out of them. By the way it's probably about $10M for a fast jet pilot. What questions would you ask and how would you decide whether the risk is appropriate or not. It's not rocket science.

You'll probably never be fully prepared for the OSB. Accept that. There will likely be questions you can't answer. However if you are motivated correctly you will easily be able to answer most questions because you're naturally interested in the subject. Don't kid yourself. Unless your absolutely and relentlessly driven about the opportunity, you probably won't be successful.

All the pilots I know remain completely addicted to aircraft and aviation, whether they're in the civilian industry like me or still in the military side of things. It's a bug and you'll know if you've got it or not because you just can't get rid of it.
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 06:06   #2357 (permalink)
 
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You saying I've got bugs?
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 20:34   #2358 (permalink)
 
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CSD,
You know me better than you think.........
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Old 10th Jan 2013, 13:04   #2359 (permalink)
 
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Winged Wombat is correct about the FJ pilots. It is a major focus, 2FTS is all about providing 79SQN a quality product and they need more than we can provide. As such the training is all about extending your flying skills and extending you as an individual. To achieve this the curriculum is a challenging and ever evolving beast.

What do we need of the trainee... dedication, hard work, co-operation, guts, grit and determination, respect and over all integrity mixed in with ability and capacity. Not just for flight screening but all of the way until Wings and beyond.

A better product for 79SQN has other benefits for the rest of the customers. Those who don't make it to FJ's for what ever reason will be well positioned to flow on to the other types who are facing ever challenging operational tasking. They also require highly skilled and dedicated individuals.

Those who where well rehearsed to pass flight screening but lack some or all of the above criteria, will be weeded out at some stage.

My two cents. Good luck.

MMSOBGYTAST

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Old 17th Jan 2013, 01:59   #2360 (permalink)
 
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A couple of questions for the floor:

In relation to an Army SSO Pilot, would they do the Aviation Medical Cse before or during Basic Flying Training? Is this done at Tamworth or RAAF Base Edinburgh?

Secondly, do Army Pilots attend Combat Survival Training at RAAF Townsville, or does the Army run its own course elsewhere?
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