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Old 17th Mar 2017, 17:29   #81 (permalink)
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@CV just out of curiosity, because you mentioned that already a few times.
Did keep the 4 month notice, or did you leave early?
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 07:57   #82 (permalink)
 
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3 month's as agreed with the Chief pilot in writing and my bonded period had ended.

Line pilots were great at DHL, the problem was my lack of ability to sleep in the day not helped by the Leipzig block rosters changing from Tuesday to a Thursday start, I was truly fatigued. DHL are just like any other big employer, you are just a number but they did as they promised, bonded type rating with a Leipzig base. I needed a job, they provided one, a fair deal.

However if people chose to move on don't get petty about paying them on time. It's is so childish.

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Old 18th Mar 2017, 09:48   #83 (permalink)
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Interesting, its a bit of topic and probably goes a bit too much into details, but did you go to a lawyer and thought to sue them? Its your money.

Anyway, DHK is a good job. The management is like in any other company, they don't care about you. Rules are always different when its to their advantage.

For cadets its not really the right place, you do about 300h per year, so you don't make a lot of hours. After 10 years you have 3000h, by that time your friends are already in command in other companies. But the job is good, pay is alright and you don't have to worry too much about the future, apart from the Brexit.
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 19:01   #84 (permalink)
 
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No need for a lawyer, they did pay up but a few days late and I had to winge and moan and as I had just started at the new outfit I did not have much time to be making phone calls.

Nothing against DHL in general, if you are young and can make Leipzig work for you then it is a great opportunity bar for the lack of hours.


PS. I voted for Brexit
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 19:35   #85 (permalink)
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they did not pay my last month's salary
so that is actually not true then

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they did pay up but a few days late
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 19:59   #86 (permalink)
 
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Sorry complete outsider here.

300h/y that's about 6h flying per week. Surely can't be a full time position ?!
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 20:56   #87 (permalink)
 
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Sorry complete outsider here.

300h/y that's about 6h flying per week. Surely can't be a full time position ?!
Try not break it down into weekly flying. It varies on how busy the network is, however an average week of work it's common to be flying a two/ three sector nights and occasionally a 4 sector may be chucked in there for good measure.

The sectors are normally short and the waiting time between each sector can be rather long, anywhere between 1 - 4 hours, which eats into your duty period. Add into the mix you night stop 98% of the time and those are the main reasons why you tend not to accrue many flying hours.

To give an example, you may fly 30-35 per month (busy), your duty hours are in the region of 250-300+ hours.
A really quiet month, you'll have a loads of home/ airport standbys and may only end up flying 10-20 hours with the duty hours in the region of about 100-150 hours.
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Old 18th Mar 2017, 22:04   #88 (permalink)
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You do an average of 30 block hours with about 70-90 duty hours per month, that is typical for cargo operation.
@Merovinigian the time away on the roster are not the real duty hours.
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You do an average of 30 block hours with about 70-90 duty hours per month, that is typical for cargo operation.
@Merovinigian the time away on the roster are not the real duty hours.
My mistake, I wasn't being very clear or not using the correct phraseology. I didn't mean it in the context of Flight Duty Period, rather duty hours away from base.
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Old 19th Mar 2017, 10:16   #90 (permalink)
 
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so that is actually not true then

As I originally said

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They were especially nice to me when they did not pay my last month's salary without me chasing them up, nor my last month's flight duty pay the following month.
Yes it is true, they did not pay me my salary or flight duty pay until I had a go at Ginney and then the payroll people in London. Would they have ever botherd to pay me if I had not chased​ them, I do not know.

However they were in breach of contract by not paying me on the agreed pay date and this is illegal​.


Dirty little underhand trick from DHL.
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Try not break it down into weekly flying. It varies on how busy the network is, however an average week of work it's common to be flying a two/ three sector nights and occasionally a 4 sector may be chucked in there for good measure.

The sectors are normally short and the waiting time between each sector can be rather long, anywhere between 1 - 4 hours, which eats into your duty period. Add into the mix you night stop 98% of the time and those are the main reasons why you tend not to accrue many flying hours.

To give an example, you may fly 30-35 per month (busy), your duty hours are in the region of 250-300+ hours.
A really quiet month, you'll have a loads of home/ airport standbys and may only end up flying 10-20 hours with the duty hours in the region of about 100-150 hours.
Thanks for those clarifications. I honestly had no idea.
Is this typical for all European cargo operations (I guess DHL UK doesn't do long haul?)
Just for info could you post a typical week schedule (ie. flight, wait, next sector, rest)? Doesn't need to be too specific, just to give a ballpark idea to the uneducated.
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Thanks for those clarifications. I honestly had no idea.
Is this typical for all European cargo operations (I guess DHL UK doesn't do long haul?)
Just for info could you post a typical week schedule (ie. flight, wait, next sector, rest)? Doesn't need to be too specific, just to give a ballpark idea to the uneducated.
DHK operate 767s long haul to Cincinnati, New York, Lagos and Bahrain.

This can be a typical roster.
Sun: LEJ-CGN 2200-2300z [24 hours in CGN]
Mon: CGN-LEJ 2200-2300z
Tue: LEJ-ARN 0300-0450z [Day stop] ARN-LEJ 2030-2200z
Wed: LEJ-BLL 0320-0430z [Day stop] BLL-LEJ 2145-2250z
Thur: LEJ-CIA 0350-0540z [Day stop] CIA-LEJ 2040-2240z

When returning to LEJ after each trip, unless you have an apartment nearby the airport, you'll end up waiting in the hub for the next sector and that can be up to 4 hours. There are sleeping facilities (bunks, quiet room with reclining chairs) though you have to be early to grab a chair or even a bunk as they go rather quickly.
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Old 20th Mar 2017, 11:57   #93 (permalink)
 
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Thanks, very interesting and educative.

Definitely not for everyone but if (big if) you manage decent rest and don't look for family life it might be fairly decent.

Anyway thanks again - gives me a glimpse in the life of a freightdog
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