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Old 17th Jan 2017, 19:04   #1 (permalink)
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Air Hamburg

Can anyone shed some light in regards to that player ?

What I heard about them is absolutely devastating....
Here only few examples:

-Phenom 300 FO earns as little as 1800 Brut per month
That leaves you with roughly 1200 a month, now make a living/pay your ATP loan back.

-Duty time always starts 30 minutes prior scheduled departure time, proceedings (airlines, rentals etc) are never accounted as duty
Nevertheless, Crews are requested to show 2h before the flight in Winter, to prepare the Aircraft/De-Ice etc
Is this not totally illegal ?
This is the point that annoys me the most. 6h Airline to Moscow, Taxi etc etc, then 12h of flight Duty, NO PROBLEM !

-Principal from the authorities (Luftfahrtbundesamt) who is supposed to check their operation for compliance does not care at all
Does he maybe even freelance for them ?

-if you are willing to share the Hotel room with your colleague, Dinner is on the company

If only one of this is true it is already scandalous imho.

There is operators out there who treat their crews respectfully, respect duty times and EU-Ops regulations. How are they supposed to compete on a market with companies like AH ?

Can anyone shed some light ? Flight time wise they seem to become the second biggest operator in Europe. On the race to the bottom they already appear #1
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 23:32   #2 (permalink)
 
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Not surprised in Germany

I flew a turboprop for a certain German operator in Cologne and lost all my respect for the Luftfahrtbundesamt (LBA). So I am not surprised at all to read about Air Hamburg.

My experience with this other German turboprop operator out of Cologne:

No scheduling
- 8 days off a month were not given nor rostered. It was always a surprise when you return home and how long.

No rostering of standby duties
- 24/7 standby, sometimes waiting all day in lobby of hotel and fly all the night.

Falsifying techlogs and duty times records
- well this doesn't need any explanation...

The list continues...


A year ago I started a topic under a different name to stay anonymous, afraid of loosing my job. That was always the threat when you asked any 'difficult' questions.
See here: FDT violations, need some opinions

I was a young naive F/O and left because the above given reasons to an operator who respects his crews and is oversighted by a different and more competent CAA. Out of Germany thank god!
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 14:51   #3 (permalink)
 
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Sounds like the typical German/Austrian operator, nothing new under the sun.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 08:19   #4 (permalink)
 
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well I can't say anything about this operator if those items are true or not.

But what I can definetly say: this all works- until something happens. Nobody is aware that the duty begins when you go through security check- the picture from the camera is the proof and will be checked after a crash. The fuel slip has a time printed on, etc etc people seem to forget that. Also proceedings everything will be checked after an accident, including how many beers you had and so on.

I don't want to be the FOM in this company, here in Germany we say: at least one of your legs is in jail already.
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 08:31   #5 (permalink)
 
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A couple of LBA officials hold XLS ratings. To stay current they fly a certain number of days/weeks for XLS operators. From what I heard, Air Hamburg is one of them. So, go figure.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 10:59   #6 (permalink)
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I wonder why not one single Pilot of the mentioned company can give a statement and shed some light ?
Is there so much internal pressure ? Given the size of AH it is impossible that none of there pilots has seen this thread and could give a reply..
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 12:54   #7 (permalink)
 
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I wonder why not one single Pilot of the mentioned company can give a statement and shed some light ?
Maybe because of german work law? I have never signed a work contract which did not contain a "non disclosure agreement". It is very difficult for an employer in Germany to get rid of an unwanted employee after the six-month probation time have passed. Publicly violating the terms of your contract by disclosing company interna on the internet gives the employer one of the few reasons for an immediate termination of your contract. Therefore you can not expect many people to risk their job by washing dirty laundry over the internet.

And no, I don't work for that company. I know pilots who work there or who worked there in the (recent) past, but writing here what I was told by them would be hearsay only and completely useless.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 05:44   #8 (permalink)
 
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I think you are a little bit too optimistic there, one can very easily fire an employee in Germany: Just send him his dismissal notice (two lines are enough) and stop paying the person's salary. The employee will in return take the employer to court, win the litigation and will be awarded one additional salary per two years of employment as compensation (for a four-year employee that is a mere two months - peanuts in the aviation business). In the end, you will be standing there with a worthless piece of paper (verdict) and still without a job. ��

If they really dislike you, the might hire a lawyer who will look at your expense claims from the last couple of months and then argue that the mutual trust is irretrievably broken because you claimed 1.20 EUR incorrectly. This then justifies a summary dismissal without any notice or compensation.
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Given the current political situation in Germany, you will not find anybody saying bad of their Soviet ...
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Old 22nd Feb 2017, 07:41   #10 (permalink)
 
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It is very difficult for an employer in Germany to get rid of an unwanted employee after the six-month probation time have passed.
Untrue for ANY employee in a firm with 10 or less employees. Mrs. Merkel did this years ago and ever since the SPD "Thatchered" (Agenda 2010) our country, there seem to be no Unions any more.

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Given the current political situation in Germany, you will not find anybody saying bad of their Soviet ...
Should you think of Mrs.Merkels cabinet with your Soviet remark, I can assure you, there is ample criticism, from the far left (open all borders) to the far right (close all borders) If you are sane and understand that 80 Mio Germans cannot rescue all poor and badly treated you are labelled a nazi. This whole situation will explode in someones face and I think it will be the face of AM. But nothing will change for the better with the current politicians, might they be in the CDU or SPD. They are all afraid and none thinks forward.
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