QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
The SH award does not contain the full CAO 48E limits. TOD limits for augmented crew are not contained in the award.
TOD limits in the award for 2 pilot ops are generally more restrictive than the CAO 48E.
The complete CAO 48E is contained in the FAM and has the limits for augmented crew (22hrs etc)
The way I understand it is, if there are no specific limitations within the award (e.g. augmented crew), then the CAO48E (as per the FAM) applies.
Not sure of the A330 example, perhaps there were some specific limitations for the A330, or simply some varied interpretations of how CAO 48E applied.
TOD limits in the award for 2 pilot ops are generally more restrictive than the CAO 48E.
The complete CAO 48E is contained in the FAM and has the limits for augmented crew (22hrs etc)
The way I understand it is, if there are no specific limitations within the award (e.g. augmented crew), then the CAO48E (as per the FAM) applies.
Not sure of the A330 example, perhaps there were some specific limitations for the A330, or simply some varied interpretations of how CAO 48E applied.
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The A330 was flown under a Letter of Agreement based on the SH award but with differences. One of them was a MDC equal to that of the LH award.
You can't have LOA's anymore so unless something else is negotiated, the A330 would operate under the full SH award if it reverted back to SH flying.
You can't have LOA's anymore so unless something else is negotiated, the A330 would operate under the full SH award if it reverted back to SH flying.
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Whilst we argue amongst ourselves regarding the pros and cons of both the short and long haul awards the question that is of most interest is what plans have J* in place for the introduction of the 787? Its a year away and I would have thought that there would be several pilots and engineers planning its introduction. Endorsements and engineering courses would be in full swing I should think and yet not even a peep from a J* pilot in the know. I smell a rat a very big white rat.
"Further down the track, Qantas will inherit some of Jetstar's 787-8s for domestic service, ranging from the 'golden triangle' of Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne to the cross-country leg from the east coast to Perth.
“In the short term domestic is secondary, but in the long term it’s a primary role (for the 787)" Strambi told Australian Business Traveller.
"Further down the track, Qantas will inherit some of Jetstar's 787-8s for domestic service, ranging from the 'golden triangle' of Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne to the cross-country leg from the east coast to Perth.
“In the short term domestic is secondary, but in the long term it’s a primary role (for the 787)" Strambi told Australian Business Traveller.
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For a CEO to change a business plan without losing facing he usually needs some form of "crisis" to give him a bone fide reason for changing the plan so that he can come out smelling of roses for reacting so swiftly to avert the "crisis".
Could JB's new Virgin be that "crisis"?.
Or is the future still Orange.
Could JB's new Virgin be that "crisis"?.
Or is the future still Orange.
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After grounding the airline & sending the process to arbitration.
Aj's next crisis will be dealing with an arbitrated decision that isn't 100% in managements favour.
Meaning, their will be some manufactured crisis to deal with.
Speaking of groundings, where's OW?
After grounding the airline & sending the process to arbitration.
Aj's next crisis will be dealing with an arbitrated decision that isn't 100% in managements favour.
Meaning, their will be some manufactured crisis to deal with.
Speaking of groundings, where's OW?
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After grounding the airline & sending the process to arbitration.
Aj's next crisis will be dealing with an arbitrated decision that isn't 100% in managements favour.
Meaning, their will be some manufactured crisis to deal with.
Aj's next crisis will be dealing with an arbitrated decision that isn't 100% in managements favour.
Meaning, their will be some manufactured crisis to deal with.
Speaking of groundings, where's OW?
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Heard a rumour that they'll be trading the A380's in on A320 Neo's for those MEL - PER & ADL - PER sectors. 5th May 2012 09:11
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The High Court Ruling is some 30 minutes away, however if the High Court Rules:
a. In favour of the FWA decision, expect Alan Joyce to announce that his (and his alone) decision to ground the airline & bring arbitration to a "head" was justified. Supported by the ruling of the High Court & endorsement by "many" Australian CEO's for taking on those bully boy unions.
or
b. In favour of AIPA, expect Alan Joyce to move from an Industrial, to business & economic stance to justify downsizing of Qantas mainline operations. After all no Union should have any input as to how he shall run his company.
a. In favour of the FWA decision, expect Alan Joyce to announce that his (and his alone) decision to ground the airline & bring arbitration to a "head" was justified. Supported by the ruling of the High Court & endorsement by "many" Australian CEO's for taking on those bully boy unions.
or
b. In favour of AIPA, expect Alan Joyce to move from an Industrial, to business & economic stance to justify downsizing of Qantas mainline operations. After all no Union should have any input as to how he shall run his company.
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Agreed...... except it is Federal Court.
Wonder if it goes against them if there is a High Court challenge planned. The Employers Federation would doubtless be interested in bankrolling it.
Wonder if it goes against them if there is a High Court challenge planned. The Employers Federation would doubtless be interested in bankrolling it.
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Oh well... the ceremonial burning of the tie can go ahead I guess.
The FWA laws will really have to be looked at... my fear though is that is exactly what Abbott has planned. Though with outcomes like this... why bother?
The FWA laws will really have to be looked at... my fear though is that is exactly what Abbott has planned. Though with outcomes like this... why bother?
That's two unloseable cases that AIPA has lost.
Personally, I think AIPA had Buckley's chance of winning the FWA appeal when you consider that the Victorian, NSW and Federal governments all gave evidence against AIPA's appeal. Can you seriously imagine three judges going against that amount of political power? As for the Jetconnect case, if two out of three judges can argue that Jetconnect isn't a sham when their own CEO admits that Qantas pays all the bills and doesn't even know if Jetconnect has its own bank accounts, what can you do??
The justice system isn't about justice! Can't wait for the arbitration outcome!!!!
Yes, I was also referring to the Jetconnect case. 'Unloseable' wasn't the right word; the rest of your post sums up exactly the reasons why I am not surprised at the outcome. I was trying to describe the blatant daylight robbery that has occurred in both cases and has been condoned by the judicial outcomes.
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Personally, I think AIPA had Buckley's chance of winning the FWA appeal when you consider that the Victorian, NSW and Federal governments all gave evidence against AIPA's appeal. Can you seriously imagine three judges going against that amount of political power?
I must say I'm disappointed but not surprised. I doesn't mesh with me that it was all bundled up together in the lockout but the show will go on
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What we have here is the modern version of a wage price control system. A much more sophisticated coat of varnish, but underneath, same as it ever was.
It's more sophisticated in there are hundreds of pages of legislation & regulations to give cover to the arbiters of the system - the crony capitalists & central planners (business and governments) & their bureaucratic functionaries. Under no circumstance will labour be allowed to have a win or threaten stability of the system. You take what you are given, there is no longer any genuine bargaining, and if you don't like it, the full force of the government will be used against you as a criminal.
Welcome to the modern face of repression, there is nothing new under the sun, here's a quote from 1850.
The Law
Frédéric Bastiat
It's more sophisticated in there are hundreds of pages of legislation & regulations to give cover to the arbiters of the system - the crony capitalists & central planners (business and governments) & their bureaucratic functionaries. Under no circumstance will labour be allowed to have a win or threaten stability of the system. You take what you are given, there is no longer any genuine bargaining, and if you don't like it, the full force of the government will be used against you as a criminal.
Welcome to the modern face of repression, there is nothing new under the sun, here's a quote from 1850.
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.
Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.
The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.
Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.
Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.
The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.
Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.
Frédéric Bastiat