Australian Airline wages compilation
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Would love to see a number of hours flown per annum versus pay comparison!
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A good place to start is FWA search
Choose Advance search, put pilot in the tittle & use "Airline Operations" in the industry pull down menu. I get 96 agreements there.
Just searching on "Airline Operations" gives 729+ agreements and an error. So the search can be refined a little more with company names or states etc.
Choose Advance search, put pilot in the tittle & use "Airline Operations" in the industry pull down menu. I get 96 agreements there.
Just searching on "Airline Operations" gives 729+ agreements and an error. So the search can be refined a little more with company names or states etc.
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Great idea breakfastburrito and wannabe. Any refinements/additions to the compilation would be fantastic!
I think it would be a great idea to have the 60/70/80 hour per month comparison. That way the productivity and other bonuses can be turned into an easy to read figure for each.
Does anyone with a more legal mind or even the mods have anything to add in terms of whether we are wading into dangerous territory by providing figures that are very close to the mark of what guys are taking home in their pay packet?
I think it would be a great idea to have the 60/70/80 hour per month comparison. That way the productivity and other bonuses can be turned into an easy to read figure for each.
Does anyone with a more legal mind or even the mods have anything to add in terms of whether we are wading into dangerous territory by providing figures that are very close to the mark of what guys are taking home in their pay packet?
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Chadzat, I can't see there would be a problem given that the information are public documents. You would be surprised at the hidden information that is out there in obscure formats, just waiting to be compiled and made user friendly.
As an example, companies are required to provide their share holder details on request. One tactic is to make it available as a series of "image" files at can't be easily read by OCR, so the details must be manually re-entered into a database before any analysis can be performed. The Federal Reserve Bank in the US did this just last week as part of a FOI request on their "Discount Window" lending during the height of the GFC.
It's called "hiding in plain sight".
As an example, companies are required to provide their share holder details on request. One tactic is to make it available as a series of "image" files at can't be easily read by OCR, so the details must be manually re-entered into a database before any analysis can be performed. The Federal Reserve Bank in the US did this just last week as part of a FOI request on their "Discount Window" lending during the height of the GFC.
It's called "hiding in plain sight".
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Understand it is a tad complex - due to allowances etc etc.
But say if a pilot is on an hourly rate of "x" what typically would their annual salary be or what would be the salary range ? Just put it in terms of "x" if you like ?
What would the mininum me in the event of little flying taking place - such as the 380 recently and 330 a couple of years back ?
Understand it is a tad complex - due to allowances etc etc.
But say if a pilot is on an hourly rate of "x" what typically would their annual salary be or what would be the salary range ? Just put it in terms of "x" if you like ?
What would the mininum me in the event of little flying taking place - such as the 380 recently and 330 a couple of years back ?
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The website is a great idea but will take a bit of time. In the meantime if others with the data/info can update the missing figures it will provide a current snapshot.
There needs to be a date next to the salaries presented to show when it was in effect.
Disregard; skywest are correct, my error in reading 2010/11 as 2011.
Disregard; skywest are correct, my error in reading 2010/11 as 2011.
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If you'd care to point out which ones are incorrect and then post a correct salary that would be appreciated 43 Inches. It takes a lot of effort to go through the FWA website for each EBA document. The figures already posted are either correct as from an EBA document or have been given by other posters as the most recently available info.
Also I believe those Skywest salaries are indeed correct as of July 2010, as they were had directly from their EBA.
Also I believe those Skywest salaries are indeed correct as of July 2010, as they were had directly from their EBA.
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Agree with Chadzat re Skywest pay.
From their EBA for 2010/11 F100 first year Captain $128848, FO $83751, A320 Capt $165000 FO $107250 and F50 Capt $97244 and FO $63209.
I have also have heard from a few contacts the ATR72 pay will be 5% on top of the F50.
From the 2010 Skippers EBA
Dash 8 Capt $89,168 FO $50,253
E120 Capt $88,816 FO $50,253
Metro Capt $70,855 FO $42,537
The Capt figures include a productivity Bonus as detailed below.
A3 Productivity Bonus
The Productivity Bonus payment is an addition to the base salary paid. It is
employee specific and payable at the sole discretion of the company. The
bonus payment is inclusive of all amounts applicable to any non-management
administration duties that may be assigned by the Company. 28 days notice
will be given to an employee should the productivity bonus be removed or
reduced. Reasons for same and conditions of reinstatement will be given to
employee in writing
From their EBA for 2010/11 F100 first year Captain $128848, FO $83751, A320 Capt $165000 FO $107250 and F50 Capt $97244 and FO $63209.
I have also have heard from a few contacts the ATR72 pay will be 5% on top of the F50.
From the 2010 Skippers EBA
Dash 8 Capt $89,168 FO $50,253
E120 Capt $88,816 FO $50,253
Metro Capt $70,855 FO $42,537
The Capt figures include a productivity Bonus as detailed below.
A3 Productivity Bonus
The Productivity Bonus payment is an addition to the base salary paid. It is
employee specific and payable at the sole discretion of the company. The
bonus payment is inclusive of all amounts applicable to any non-management
administration duties that may be assigned by the Company. 28 days notice
will be given to an employee should the productivity bonus be removed or
reduced. Reasons for same and conditions of reinstatement will be given to
employee in writing
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To find out about all airlines pay in general go here:
Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots
Find the country your interested in and then click the "All factfiles" link below that countries name
you will then be taken to a list of airlines/charter/ etc etc.
you can read the details and there will be a date so you can see if its old info. And if you are in an airline (lucky or unlucky) then you can update the info!
Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots
Find the country your interested in and then click the "All factfiles" link below that countries name
you will then be taken to a list of airlines/charter/ etc etc.
you can read the details and there will be a date so you can see if its old info. And if you are in an airline (lucky or unlucky) then you can update the info!
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Great thread guys.
Sobering to think though that in a 3rd world country just north of Australia they are paying captains of a certain 19 seat aircraft a base of $110,000 AUD to work tours of 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.
Sobering to think though that in a 3rd world country just north of Australia they are paying captains of a certain 19 seat aircraft a base of $110,000 AUD to work tours of 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off.
Nunc est bibendum
QF 767 Captain: $219 per hour. Pay of 1040 per annum. Super is either 10% of 1060 or 17% of 878.
Plus allowances, plus training credits of about 27.5 hours per year. Someone else can work out the gross. As pointyend likes to point out, I'm too busy counting it.
Plus allowances, plus training credits of about 27.5 hours per year. Someone else can work out the gross. As pointyend likes to point out, I'm too busy counting it.
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about $90K per annum
Lets take a conservative average of say 65K for ~2300 pilots =$149,500,000 tax bill for pilots alone. Nice little boost to profits $150M++. High fives & bonuses all around! The pilot still gets the same in the hand.
Its not the pilots that are uncompetitive, its the unsustainable tax welfare redistribute system. Will the Federal government sit back and allow it to happen?
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Will the Federal government sit back and allow it to happen?
After Joyce has so earnestly supported the Carbon Tax he will be looking for a little quid pro quo.