OzJet - Business is tough just after 2 days in
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I wish Ozjet the best of luck.....early days yet.....who knows, they may be the best airline Austrlalia has seen yet.....in fact, I already think they will be the best airline in Australia.
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A pair of JT9's on a 732 would be fantastic, that could shake a few windows loose!
Still the JT8's make a lovely sound, it will be missed when the AAE 727's retire!
OzJet is a great idea in the world where you get what you pay for! Seeing the QF and DJ service is dead and buried!
Good luck to the gang!
Still the JT8's make a lovely sound, it will be missed when the AAE 727's retire!
OzJet is a great idea in the world where you get what you pay for! Seeing the QF and DJ service is dead and buried!
Good luck to the gang!
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I don't think you guys give Stoddart enough credit.
Why don't you just for once look outside into the big wide world and see what destruction this guy has reeked... you have been warned, I just feel sorry for the desperados (and you would have to be to get involved with this charlatan), who will soon be without an income and worse, a debt for an obsolete type on their licence...
Erin:
At least they pay for your training
During the first week of Ozjet they have encountered some of the more unusual aspects of Sydney Airport. e.g Tuesday: RWY 07 only operations with TWY Golf closed between RWY 16R/34L and TWY Alpha. Friday: RWY 34L for all departures (RWY 34R closed for departures due pavement failure). TS most afternoons.
I wish them well, perhaps ATC could enthusiastically embrace them like they did with Compass (Mark I).
I wish them well, perhaps ATC could enthusiastically embrace them like they did with Compass (Mark I).
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I’m guessing GOD will just sit back and let them hemorrhage by themselves, before applying the commercial pressure. Perhaps a summer in-flight shutdown or RTO compliments of the JT8-D may speed the process?
Rumors that DJ will install J next year. If this happens, it’s hard to see how they could compete with QF+DJ with lounges, frequency, OTP, Points, etc… What happens to Ozjets’ schedule when a plane goes tech?
In anycase, ill still my original prediction of 6 months. So that’s a late May shut down.
Rumors that DJ will install J next year. If this happens, it’s hard to see how they could compete with QF+DJ with lounges, frequency, OTP, Points, etc… What happens to Ozjets’ schedule when a plane goes tech?
In anycase, ill still my original prediction of 6 months. So that’s a late May shut down.
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Just out of interest....why are some people so keen for Ozjet to fail?......isn't is a good thing if Ozjet succeeds?.....just means more jobs and more choices for travellers?.....and not just jobs for airline staff but contractors....cleaners....catering etc.....surely this is good for the economy?.......
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MONK probably if there was a nett input.
All we are talking about here is a cynical attempt at redistribution of high revenue income and employment amongst the airlines.
I'm not so sure everyone is keen for them to fail either, just that they don't think that backwards is the way to go.
If they were introducing new low fares, new equipment and infrastructure that would stimulate nett new business fair cop, we already have a pretty vigourous market there.
The nature of the setup is such that there is no long term commitment beyond some "words".
Exit strategy is the aircraft go to the desert and get parted out and hopefully the creditors get out square and the pilots are forgiven a debt for an obsolete type on their licence...
The only benefit might be that QF and DJ will get off their hands in regards to "J" class and my reading of Australians tells me when the fare difference gets down to double digits and/or the service goes ballistic, that's where they will go.
And the next boom bust cycle starts, which in my book = nett loss to everyone. There is IMHO, much to be said for an orderly market in these things.
Win lose or draw, it will not be us but the business and novelty market that Stoddart reckons he has sussed, who will be the final arbiter of his bona fides.
All we are talking about here is a cynical attempt at redistribution of high revenue income and employment amongst the airlines.
I'm not so sure everyone is keen for them to fail either, just that they don't think that backwards is the way to go.
If they were introducing new low fares, new equipment and infrastructure that would stimulate nett new business fair cop, we already have a pretty vigourous market there.
The nature of the setup is such that there is no long term commitment beyond some "words".
Exit strategy is the aircraft go to the desert and get parted out and hopefully the creditors get out square and the pilots are forgiven a debt for an obsolete type on their licence...
The only benefit might be that QF and DJ will get off their hands in regards to "J" class and my reading of Australians tells me when the fare difference gets down to double digits and/or the service goes ballistic, that's where they will go.
And the next boom bust cycle starts, which in my book = nett loss to everyone. There is IMHO, much to be said for an orderly market in these things.
Win lose or draw, it will not be us but the business and novelty market that Stoddart reckons he has sussed, who will be the final arbiter of his bona fides.
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3. There idea of using BAe 146 is a bad idea, some bad publicity has come from them over the years. Known for there hot and high operational performance these rugged aircraft should be placed elsewhere.
Skystar320....have you ever seen one up close let alone flown one?
Placed elsewhere?
The only logical place for the Fischer Price Starlifter is a kiddies playground....at sea level on an ISA day!!!!
Rugged hot an high performer BWAhahahahahaha
On 2 Dec I observed one of the Ozjet 737-200s departing on runway 07 at YSSY. It was quieter than I expected - I assume the JT-8Ds had to be huskitted to meet noise requirements for the AOC anyway. They were a little bit smokey, although not as bad as some 727s and Diesel 9s I recall seeing truckin' on out of Honolulu airport a few years ago.
Nice paint job, too. Since the owner is in the spare parts business then perhaps the maintenance issues won't be such a concern, although I understand spares for JT-8Ds are very pricey, but all the same it appears odd to me that these old -200s are being pitted against the 737-NGs, albeit targetting a very restricted class of pax and only at certain times of the day.
As for the airframes, again if the maintenance is kept up and the cost of parts doesn't escalate too much then they may prove to be money-earners.
I honestly don't know how they will go. But, if I were an aviation enthusiast, I'd get some good photographs of the aircraft while you can - just to be sure.
You can't take any new pictures of Compass 1 or Compass 2 or Ansett livery any more.
Nice paint job, too. Since the owner is in the spare parts business then perhaps the maintenance issues won't be such a concern, although I understand spares for JT-8Ds are very pricey, but all the same it appears odd to me that these old -200s are being pitted against the 737-NGs, albeit targetting a very restricted class of pax and only at certain times of the day.
As for the airframes, again if the maintenance is kept up and the cost of parts doesn't escalate too much then they may prove to be money-earners.
I honestly don't know how they will go. But, if I were an aviation enthusiast, I'd get some good photographs of the aircraft while you can - just to be sure.
You can't take any new pictures of Compass 1 or Compass 2 or Ansett livery any more.
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Gaunty.....
I see your point......for my my part I hope it works for everyone....Qantas....Virgin....and Ozjet......I think it will be good for all concerned.....airline staff....contractors.....ATC staff......consumers.....and even the Tax man!!!
I see your point......for my my part I hope it works for everyone....Qantas....Virgin....and Ozjet......I think it will be good for all concerned.....airline staff....contractors.....ATC staff......consumers.....and even the Tax man!!!
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Chimbu chuckles,
Your comments are noted. I have been around inside those BAe 146 of Ansett's and even managed to sit in the cockpit while dead - heading in those good old days (abeit very rare) but the pilots were complaining bitterly about their 'hot and high performance'
I remember back in 1997 I think while based in Sydney for a while it was common to see Ansett's BAe 146-300's VH-EWS & EWR run the SYD-OOL run while the competetion ran 737's. These aircraft were not ideally suitable for the kind of runs stick em in Perth and let them do the Mining charters, which there good at.
I cannot really see why Ozjet would want to touch the BAe146's especially when these aircraft have had a bad name in the Australian Aviation. There thinking of placing them on the Canberra runs? anyone shed light on that?
But what could they have chosen in place of the 146's? The Fokker 100's? you can still pick them up quite cheaply around the place. But when you have aircraft that are on your doorstep at a low purchase price, he could do no wrong!
I agree on the other person's post BankAngle50, he has chosen the wrong time of the year, and with losing cash like this well are we going to see another Ansett ?
I shall rest my case
Your comments are noted. I have been around inside those BAe 146 of Ansett's and even managed to sit in the cockpit while dead - heading in those good old days (abeit very rare) but the pilots were complaining bitterly about their 'hot and high performance'
I remember back in 1997 I think while based in Sydney for a while it was common to see Ansett's BAe 146-300's VH-EWS & EWR run the SYD-OOL run while the competetion ran 737's. These aircraft were not ideally suitable for the kind of runs stick em in Perth and let them do the Mining charters, which there good at.
I cannot really see why Ozjet would want to touch the BAe146's especially when these aircraft have had a bad name in the Australian Aviation. There thinking of placing them on the Canberra runs? anyone shed light on that?
But what could they have chosen in place of the 146's? The Fokker 100's? you can still pick them up quite cheaply around the place. But when you have aircraft that are on your doorstep at a low purchase price, he could do no wrong!
I agree on the other person's post BankAngle50, he has chosen the wrong time of the year, and with losing cash like this well are we going to see another Ansett ?
I shall rest my case
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Skystar320 Whilst I'm not privvy to OzJets plans, I think he'd intended the 146's for runs into places like Moorabbin etc. Secondary airfields.
They might be on the backburner as this didn't really take off...happy to be proven wrong. (I was wrong once before you know!)
They might be on the backburner as this didn't really take off...happy to be proven wrong. (I was wrong once before you know!)
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Yeah i thought as much, he was going to use them to serve secondary markets but it did'nt really take off do to the 'uproar' of some residence at the local airport.
But why still use them? when i guess (correct me if i am wrong) the 737-200's are cheaper to operate?
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But why still use them? when i guess (correct me if i am wrong) the 737-200's are cheaper to operate?
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Well it is indeed a brave effort to get this up and running, so hats off.
But does anyone recall where Minardi, his old F1 team generally finished in the races and/or championship season?
The only time I think they scored points was at Indy this year AFTER all the Michelin teams had a huge dummy spit and went home.
The correlation between F1 and an airline? Other than both can go pretty damn fast..................
But does anyone recall where Minardi, his old F1 team generally finished in the races and/or championship season?
The only time I think they scored points was at Indy this year AFTER all the Michelin teams had a huge dummy spit and went home.
The correlation between F1 and an airline? Other than both can go pretty damn fast..................
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Judging by what the media reports about Ozjet slashing fares (yet again) and making more changes to their timetable, I would say their research and marketing leaves alot to be desired.
I believe they have totally misread the market.
I would like to see them succeed, but in all honesty I think their financial managers and accountants must be having headspins as one punter quoted previously.
Agree that Easter next year will be crunch-time.
I believe they have totally misread the market.
I would like to see them succeed, but in all honesty I think their financial managers and accountants must be having headspins as one punter quoted previously.
Agree that Easter next year will be crunch-time.