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Very strangely Ryanair's booking system seems to have some sort of glitch which I've found to indicate what routes may or may not operate in the next schedule season before anything goes on sale. If you select a flight route inthe next and currently unavailable schedule season (in this case "summer 2013") it will obviously show no available flights. Despite knowing this, try it anyway and make sure you select the return date to be exactly 1 week after the departure date but with flexible travel dates (just to make what I'm about to say easier to see).
If the selected departure date (highlighted in yellow) is not centralised so is basically not showing 3 alternative dates to either side but instead 6 alternative dates after and isn't actually the specific date you selected but instead 3 days before coming back, but the return flight is centralised (with 3 alternative dates toeither side of the selected date) then this simply means there is no flights available. Don't ask me why its like that, I have no idea, but it is.
If however BOTH the departure and return flights ARE centralised (with both showing 3 alternative dates either side of the selected date) and the departure date IS now the exact date you selected then this seems to indicate that Ryanair are planning to operate this route at least once at some point within that time.
For some routes, it can change and isn't 100% accurate but is correct the vast majority of the time and becomes more accurate the closer you get to flights being released for booking, however as we know it can still change after this point, especially with Ryanair as they are well known for cancelling routes or starting new ones at short notice! Of course you can't see what new routes are being planned since you cannot yet select them in the booking system.
People will probably think I'm just talking complete rubbish however I noticed it several years ago and have become certain that it is to do with what Ryanair are planning to operate and what not to, and I'd say that "planning" is the operative word there!
If the selected departure date (highlighted in yellow) is not centralised so is basically not showing 3 alternative dates to either side but instead 6 alternative dates after and isn't actually the specific date you selected but instead 3 days before coming back, but the return flight is centralised (with 3 alternative dates toeither side of the selected date) then this simply means there is no flights available. Don't ask me why its like that, I have no idea, but it is.
If however BOTH the departure and return flights ARE centralised (with both showing 3 alternative dates either side of the selected date) and the departure date IS now the exact date you selected then this seems to indicate that Ryanair are planning to operate this route at least once at some point within that time.
For some routes, it can change and isn't 100% accurate but is correct the vast majority of the time and becomes more accurate the closer you get to flights being released for booking, however as we know it can still change after this point, especially with Ryanair as they are well known for cancelling routes or starting new ones at short notice! Of course you can't see what new routes are being planned since you cannot yet select them in the booking system.
People will probably think I'm just talking complete rubbish however I noticed it several years ago and have become certain that it is to do with what Ryanair are planning to operate and what not to, and I'd say that "planning" is the operative word there!
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FRatSTN,
Routes to Bratislava (BTS), Cork (ORK), Hahn (HHN) and Girona (GRO) are additions to the existing list from EMA for next summer, but only ORK follows your theory.
Routes to Bratislava (BTS), Cork (ORK), Hahn (HHN) and Girona (GRO) are additions to the existing list from EMA for next summer, but only ORK follows your theory.
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As this theory seems to be supporting an identical schedule to the summer 2012 (the present) schedule, I wouldn't rely on it just yet. In actual fact last year, it did the same, indicating that summer 2012 was going to be identical to summer 2011. It was later changed and then 99% of the time, was correct. Although never actually started, the Cork route was the only one of those to be actually put on sale during the summer 2012 season, hence why only that one is following the theory at the moment.
Any new routes like Stansted to Maastricht or Lublin or indeed East Midlands to Warsaw-Modlin, are not following the theory either just yet but that will be because they dont operate in the summer 2012 schedule, but would certainly expect them to be flown in summer 2013. They're the routes I'll keep an eye on to see when it all changes and becomes more reliable. I'd expect this change with what routes appear to be operating or not for summer 2013 within the next month at the latest. Like I say, it can change and becomes more accurate the closer you get to the release dates (which for Ryanair is usually sometime in mid-late November) so I wouldn't give up on the theory just yet. But I gurantee, it's most useful if you are undecided whether to keep waiting for Ryanair's quite late schedule uploads or to book with another airline since theres nothing more annoying to miss a decent price by another airline and hoping Ryanair has it cheaper when they dont even intend to fly the route!!
Any new routes like Stansted to Maastricht or Lublin or indeed East Midlands to Warsaw-Modlin, are not following the theory either just yet but that will be because they dont operate in the summer 2012 schedule, but would certainly expect them to be flown in summer 2013. They're the routes I'll keep an eye on to see when it all changes and becomes more reliable. I'd expect this change with what routes appear to be operating or not for summer 2013 within the next month at the latest. Like I say, it can change and becomes more accurate the closer you get to the release dates (which for Ryanair is usually sometime in mid-late November) so I wouldn't give up on the theory just yet. But I gurantee, it's most useful if you are undecided whether to keep waiting for Ryanair's quite late schedule uploads or to book with another airline since theres nothing more annoying to miss a decent price by another airline and hoping Ryanair has it cheaper when they dont even intend to fly the route!!
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Would you say EMA-ORK is more likely to run next summer than the others? There's more room for expansion at East Mids if FR want it. I think they could price out the other carriers and almost make it a mini STN.
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I'm not sure. They quietly dropped the EMA-ORK route before it's start date on 01/09/12. I'm hoping it was only dropped for operational reasons and not that there was low-demand. Personally, I think it was dropped as Ryanair added those eastern European routes from ORK and they didn't want to expand too much in ORK due to the on-gong disagreements with DAA over landing fees and the rest of it.
I'd like to think that ORK will return for summer 2013, but I will have a better idea in due course what the liklihood is with use of my special theory. I'd also love East Midlands to become a bigger Ryanair base and more importantly, become thier second largest in Britain, where EMA deserves to have that status.
My only worry is that they are more interested in the bigger airports at the moment as they have pulled back in Liverpool slightly whilst expanding Manchester and this winter, Ryanair will fly new routes from Birmingham to Barcelona, Krakow & Milan, three key routes from EMA! I hope to god that that doesn't happen and Ryanair instead deliver sunstancial growth for summer 2013 at EMA due to the WW closure, where some of the lost capacity has still yet to be filled, despite numerous airlines increasing at EMA!
I'd like to think that ORK will return for summer 2013, but I will have a better idea in due course what the liklihood is with use of my special theory. I'd also love East Midlands to become a bigger Ryanair base and more importantly, become thier second largest in Britain, where EMA deserves to have that status.
My only worry is that they are more interested in the bigger airports at the moment as they have pulled back in Liverpool slightly whilst expanding Manchester and this winter, Ryanair will fly new routes from Birmingham to Barcelona, Krakow & Milan, three key routes from EMA! I hope to god that that doesn't happen and Ryanair instead deliver sunstancial growth for summer 2013 at EMA due to the WW closure, where some of the lost capacity has still yet to be filled, despite numerous airlines increasing at EMA!
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Hi,
Based on the summer schedule, STN is of course the largest base by some margin.
In the UK this summer, STN is followed by:
Based on the summer schedule, STN is of course the largest base by some margin.
In the UK this summer, STN is followed by:
- MAN (just ahead of LPL by a whisker this summer)
- LPL
- EMA
- EDI
- BRS
- LTN
- BHX
- PIK
- LBA
- BOH
Now that Wizz have announced it's happening systemwide, anyone want to guess how long it'll take Ryanair to announce a trial of charging for large pieces of cabin baggage ?
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Don't W6 offer somehing like 22kg of baggage allowance compared to FR 15kg. I think its the right hing for W6 to do but can't see FR doing it unless they increase there baggage size.
September passengers up 8% to 7.84 million but LF dropped a % to 85.
September passengers up 8% to 7.84 million but LF dropped a % to 85.
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Spirit airlines in the USA have had a similar policy for some time so i wouldn't rule it out. Ryanair have to look for additional sources of revenue as all airlines do.
The credit/debit charge ruling will simply be made a admin booking fee for using the system not for payment type so thats the way round that potential loss of income. make it "Free" on a limited number of flights and its optional so therefore they will avoid having to show it in headline price... naughty, irritating and starting to backfire but perfectly legal.
I'm sure they will increase hold luggage charges, check in fee, etc. The often floated idea of a charge to use the loo is just a PR stunt and wont happen but perhaps they will increase seat allocation fees. Not a bad idea for a family wanting to sit together and good source of revenue. Beyond that I'm struggling to thinks of new ideas and that's when the business model will evolve. As others have said if Ryanair became customer friendly or encouraged interlining by saying providing you leave say 2 hours between flights etc its Ok or if we cancel one leg you may cancel the other they would be on a winner. Ryanair say they only cancelled 10 flights this summer. That's a great record but if you asked the public they probably thinks its significantly higher and they fear is being stranded by Ryanair late at night with no help, transportation or anything and told "f@@k off you paid peanuts what do you expect"
The credit/debit charge ruling will simply be made a admin booking fee for using the system not for payment type so thats the way round that potential loss of income. make it "Free" on a limited number of flights and its optional so therefore they will avoid having to show it in headline price... naughty, irritating and starting to backfire but perfectly legal.
I'm sure they will increase hold luggage charges, check in fee, etc. The often floated idea of a charge to use the loo is just a PR stunt and wont happen but perhaps they will increase seat allocation fees. Not a bad idea for a family wanting to sit together and good source of revenue. Beyond that I'm struggling to thinks of new ideas and that's when the business model will evolve. As others have said if Ryanair became customer friendly or encouraged interlining by saying providing you leave say 2 hours between flights etc its Ok or if we cancel one leg you may cancel the other they would be on a winner. Ryanair say they only cancelled 10 flights this summer. That's a great record but if you asked the public they probably thinks its significantly higher and they fear is being stranded by Ryanair late at night with no help, transportation or anything and told "f@@k off you paid peanuts what do you expect"
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Wizz to be fair have quite a few more extra fees than Ryanair do already just to get their cheapest prices you have to join their club whilst many fees are higher than that of Ryanair such as charging 8 euro rather than 6 for Visa.
Whilst allowing heavier checked in luggage, they charge 5 euro extra now if the flight is over 1hr 50 mins.
Whilst allowing heavier checked in luggage, they charge 5 euro extra now if the flight is over 1hr 50 mins.
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How would you administer a "large" luggage fee? Flying out from BHX to DBV on Sunday (with BE), I noted every person on FR's KUN flight had their bag placed in the sizing device. At BHX, they are using their own staff, didn't know loading, but I guess it was quite busy.
Coming back from TRS > BHX this afternoon, handling agents doing the gate checks, no-one had to use the device, flight about 2/3 full.
Coming back from TRS > BHX this afternoon, handling agents doing the gate checks, no-one had to use the device, flight about 2/3 full.
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Yes some do seem to be up now and have been for a few days but I never posted anything because at the moment it all seems exactly the same as summer 2012. Ryanair strangely seem put routes on sale with the same timetable as the year before and then schedule changes are made on a lot of routes at later dates. I think it's so they can start selling tickets but haven't yet planned a timetable/schedule just yet so all I would say at this point, is if you book a Ryanair flight from April 2013 onwards, there's a fair chance of you not actually going at the specific time it currently says, or in extreme cases, it might be a slightly different day. I have seen it happen, particularly with Ryanair! However if you are flexible and bear that in mind and are very happy with the price, I dare say you don't really have anything to lose!
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Reserved seats (or more correctly priced seats).
Do I recall they were slapped over the wrist by the IAA for charging for emergency exit seats because they are supposed to check the users of those seats are mobile enough??
However I think Aer Lingus charge for legroom seats???
Do I recall they were slapped over the wrist by the IAA for charging for emergency exit seats because they are supposed to check the users of those seats are mobile enough??
However I think Aer Lingus charge for legroom seats???
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Do I recall they were slapped over the wrist by the IAA for charging for emergency exit seats because they are supposed to check the users of those seats are mobile enough??
However I think Aer Lingus charge for legroom seats???
However I think Aer Lingus charge for legroom seats???
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There was a problem with rows 16/17, however remember the IAA have to approve everything that happens in FR from a SEP prospective....they originally approved no one there then went back on their own words and forced a procedure change from FR. Not so much slap on the wrist more disagreement between the two which was eventually resolved.
In regards to flights major holiday routes going on sale (probably reacting to EZY launch). Wouldn't expect FRs schedule to be finalised until December or January, when most bookings for summer flights start.
In regards to flights major holiday routes going on sale (probably reacting to EZY launch). Wouldn't expect FRs schedule to be finalised until December or January, when most bookings for summer flights start.
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