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Old 12th Mar 2014, 13:08
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-800s would not be a shock. It was the reference to 737-400s which perplexed me!
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 13:51
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Me too as Crew and Engineering would have made it odd choice. Could still be but just seems odd choice especially when there are spare 738s available.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 14:07
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An ex Samair 734 flew to EMA the other day from NBO, is it possible that is one of their first (or the only) 734 heading to FR for the summer?

Either way, they're definitely on the cards
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 00:21
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Isn't it about time FR reviewed their presence in Northern Ireland. Yes, they have a base in Londonderry, but Belfast is crying out for flights to certain destinations. Take LPA, the only flight from Belfast next Summer if TOM and that is only available to book with a package holiday. If FR can't / won't base a/c in Belfast they could at least operate some flights from European bases into BFS.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 02:05
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I know the 737-400s are definitely on the cards, but I don't know how many, or from where they are coming (or on what sort of basis they will be operated). Can anyone shed any light?
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 16:34
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WINTER 2014/15 SCHEDULE RELEASED

Winter schedule revealed for Stansted and I think maybe a couple of other routes.

Probably to do with Ryanair's improved customer service, the winter schedule is very early this year.

First time ever to my knowledge that Ryanair have released ahead of EasyJet, who so I've been told will release theirs in mid April.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 17:11
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I know the 737-400s are definitely on the cards, but I don't know how many, or from where they are coming (or on what sort of basis they will be operated). Can anyone shed any light?

I anticipate the confusion is with the thinking that RYR crews will fly these a/c. I doubt that: I assume they will be wet leased. One question is why. There are varying dates for the next tranche of -800's arriving. If it will be 2015, and it was known in advance, then why design a business plan and schedule that you can't deliver without outside help; which may or may not have been forth-coming. Could be risky. If 2016 is the next -800 date then do RYR plan this lease operation for the next 2 years? Even more risky. If the -400 a/c are wet leased, and depending from whom, I wonder how the crews might react to the RYR roster. I've been involved with a/c having wet leased a/c in where the crews retained their own contractual conditions. It was chaotic for rostering and flight scheduling. It was necessary to make a little airline within an airline. Packages of routes from fixed bases etc.
Someone must be in the know.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 18:04
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If it will be 2015, and it was known in advance, then why design a business plan and schedule that you can't deliver without outside help; which may or may not have been forth-coming. Could be risky. If 2016 is the next -800 date then do RYR plan this lease operation for the next 2 years?
Believe Sept is start of first deliveries, that may or may not change by month or so depending on how Boeing can ramp up production.
Boeing 737-800 Production List - Planespotters.net Just Aviation

When order made we discussed it on here (you in that one as well ) as I had suggested that Summer 2014 was always likely to be an issue with number of airframes available and possibility of need to lease some in.

Think your point regarding crews if Wet leasing is valid. I would suggest that its likely to be on a fixed number of high frequency routes due to both engineering support and pilot location...........the list is 5-6 locations.

Funny feeling that Interiors on new 738s may be different............don't know just a gut feeling that FR will pull another rabbit out of a hat.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 20:58
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If it will be 2015, and it was known in advance, then why design a business plan and schedule that you can't deliver without outside help; which may or may not have been forth-coming. Could be risky.
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A valid question but I would say a strategic move to

1. Keep Vueling in its place as the loco goes from strength to strength
2. Realisation that to maintain growth, especially in lean winter period business orientated operations like MXP FCO and BRU were needed, they didn't want to be coming late to the party when Vueling was established at some of these.

I would suggest management direction was make it happen.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 21:07
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EI

Yeah go along with that.

Sometime its like in the lift on the way to the bar, plan is meeting up the lads all set for an evening out with a meal and a stunner walks into the lift and says she knows nobody and do you know a good restaurant...............nope never happened to me either
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 08:51
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Looks like Ryanair is announcing winter flights from Dublin this morning!
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 10:54
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Plenty of route increases, continuation of new routes launching for S14 plus new daily service to Cologne/Bonn.

Ryanair Launches Dublin Winter 2014 Schedule
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 12:52
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Is the timetable for the new DUB routes available somewhere? Could not find anything on the Ryanair's website. Need to know if the CGN schedule allows day returns.
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 14:58
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FR two flights is in fact one round trip , so no day visit
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 15:12
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Anyone have accedes to a full list of routes from DUB for W14/15 with frequency?
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Old 20th Mar 2014, 17:06
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FR two flights is in fact one round trip , so no day visit
Thanks. Stupid me, fell once again for the unusual FR terminology.
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Old 27th Mar 2014, 16:51
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I know the 737-400s are definitely on the cards, but I don't know how many, or from where they are coming (or on what sort of basis they will be operated). Can anyone shed any light?
There will be 4 of them and they will be operated out of DUB.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 10:11
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Really dumping up the fleet age in DUB. Any idea if they'll be flying set routes?
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 12:04
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Really dumping up the fleet age in DUB. Any idea if they'll be flying set routes?
Looking at it logically it would suggest that its likely to be Dub-UK routes as means they can provide line maintenance support at one or two airports rather than spreading it across the network.
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Old 28th Mar 2014, 12:23
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Smile S14 FR DUB

5% plus increase in ATMS for both FR and EI this summer for Dublin

FR ATM 34254 32% and EI 47748 44% total 75% of all airline capacity between them !

FR 737 x4 lease are 170 and 168 seats , no idea of routes

Still good to see both growing ,

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