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Old 5th Apr 2012, 06:56
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Not being personal at all Racedo. If you canīt take a joke etc. As they say if you cannot stand the fire get out of the kitchen. Happy Easter.
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EU "investigating" 17 Ryanair agreements ( The Guardian [London] news report)

Pure political flatulence and hot air.

What is the EU doing about Ryanair:

i) On the matter in hand in the news report

ii) in terms of EU261/ 2004

iii) in terms of failing to meet with multiple national regualtions regarding taxes and social security arrangements for local staff; not to mention trade union representation regulations

iv) regarding the provision of a free plane to the EU Transport Commissioner to interfere in an internal national referendum in Ireland. ?

ŋ Need I continue ?
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Old 5th Apr 2012, 11:13
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With reference to the EU and aviation issues, specifically Ryanair activity, Lufthansa acquisitions, ATI issues around BA as compared to AF and LH, slot issues at LHR, government aid and assistance to carriers, etc., the playing field appears to be about as level as that at Yeovil Football Club
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Old 5th Apr 2012, 18:07
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i) On the matter in hand in the news report
EU going against settled case already decided by EU Courts.

EU has no place in deciding whether a Regional Councils' infrastruture investment is appropriate.

I notice no queries getting asked about the Spanish regional government in Catalonia investments in infrastructure.

ii) in terms of EU261/ 2004

Ryanair along with other Airlines have made representations regarding EU regulations.

Not sure why you feel agrieved on this as laws which penalise companies who are denied right to fly as in Icelandic ash case. No proof provided as to damage and everybody barred against damages case aginst same parties who decide to stop companies lawfully trading.


iii) in terms of failing to meet with multiple national regualtions regarding taxes and social security arrangements for local staff; not to mention trade union representation regulations
Many companies employ staff in other countries who are the subject to employment contracts emanating from a different country............airlines, hotel companies, travel companies, oil companies, military etc and have have been doing this for years within Spain yet somehow its not an issue.

Ask Eurocamp staff where their contract of employment originates from.

The treaty of Rome allows the free movement of Labour and nothing requires any person to work for any company...............or is this the bit you struggling with.

As for trade union rights there is no requirement on a company to recognise any trade union.

Looking at how Spanish ATC, Iberia and other Spanish companies operate with trade unions and the additional costs they impose on a business its understandable why any company wants to avoid working with trade unions.

iv) regarding the provision of a free plane to the EU Transport Commissioner to interfere in an internal national referendum in Ireland. ?
Ryanair Ltd have every right to support a treaty which is in their interest as did
Intel and other companies
Lisbon Treaty Referendum in Ireland

Ryanair board is reponsible to their shareholders and think you will find that not an issue at their AGM.

Perhaps you should ask why Spanish Catalan Regional Government invested in an Airline (Spanair) and lost €150 M or why they owe €38 billion.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 07:50
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traffic stats

This week airlines such as Easyjet, BA, etc have reported rising pax numbers and load factors. The average is going to be around 5% more pax. FR instead has lower pax and load factor. Years of being mean on pax is starting to tell.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 09:07
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This week airlines such as Easyjet, BA, etc have reported rising pax numbers and load factors. The average is going to be around 5% more pax. FR instead has lower pax and load factor. Years of being mean on pax is starting to tell.
Stopping routes throughout the winter to improve profitability is the reason for reduction of passengers.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 09:11
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Originally Posted by racedo
Stopping routes throughout the winter to improve profitability is the reason for reduction of passengers.
And the load factors at the same time???
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 15:34
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BBC News - Three examined in hospital after Ryanair emergency descent




6 April 2012 Last updated at 03:18
Three examined in hospital after Ryanair emergency descent
Three people were examined in hospital after a Ryanair flight to East Midlands Airport made an emergency descent following a cabin pressure alert.
The plane was diverted to Frankfurt in Germany; the German authorities said 10 other people suffered minor injuries.
Among the 134 passengers on board Wednesday's flight from Bergamo, in Italy, were Nottingham couple Melvin and Jacqueline Frater.
Mrs Frater said many of those on board were afraid during the incident.
"You could see the whites of the eyes of the people next to you. People were panicking but they weren't screaming or shouting," she said.
"You overheard the captain saying 'Mayday, mayday,' and he was saying it rapidly as we were going down. I thought my number was up."
'Crying with pain'
Ryanair said the captain had identified a pressurisation warning and descended from 31,000 ft to 10,000ft as recommended.
Mr Frater, from Bakersfield, said: "I don't know how long we were actually falling but you could tell it was rapidly because of the pressure in our ears.
"Then the children and babies started crying with the pain."
The aircraft landed at 12:00 local time and passengers were later taken on to East Midlands Airport on another flight.
It has been reported that another Ryanair Boeing 737-800 suffered a decompression on 6 February while flying from Bergamo to Charleroi in Belgium.
In a statement Ryanair apologised to all the passengers affected by the diversion and delay on Wednesday.
The aircraft has been examined, but the German Federal Bureau of Aircraft Accident Investigation said the full investigation could take up to a year.
A spokesman for the bureau said three people were taken to hospital for examination after the incident but were not seriously injured. Ten people received minor injuries but did not require hospital treatment.


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Old 6th Apr 2012, 16:09
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And the load factors at the same time???
FR load factors approx 1/2 of 1 percent lower in last 6 months than corresponding year.

Easyjet load factor 1/2 of 1 percent high in last 6 months than corresponding year.

Course you could look at what owners look at and how much money is being made.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 16:58
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Easyjet load factor 1/2 of 1 percent high in last 6 months than corresponding year.
Easyjet load factor is up a whole 1% over the last 6 month at 86.64%. Ryanair load factor is around 78.4% (over same 6 months), that is over 8% lower than Easyjet. It is clear that Ryanair is getting things badly wrong and cutting capacity is not improving load factors.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 17:46
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"You overheard the captain saying 'Mayday, mayday,' and he was saying it rapidly as we were going down. I thought my number was up."
I think this passenger may have been telling tall tales to the beeb.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 18:31
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I think this passenger may have been telling tall tales to the beeb.
I don't think so, my friend is an FO with FR at DUB and its FR's procedure to inform cabin crew of an emergency decent via the Public Address system. So its not out of the ordinary for passengers to hear ''Mayday, Mayday - emergency decent'' after all the plane dived from 31,000ft to 9,000ft at 4,200fpm also in one of the busiest sectors of airspace in Europe I don't think it could be more dramatic.
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Easyjet load factor is up a whole 1% over the last 6 month at 86.64%. Ryanair load factor is around 78.4% (over same 6 months), that is over 8% lower than Easyjet. It is clear that Ryanair is getting things badly wrong and cutting capacity is not improving load factors.
Think you really need to make up your mind as in the past it was increasing passenger number was bad news.

Now they had a very clearly communicated and identified strategy for winter 2011 of reducing capacity, to increase fare yield and profitability, you are now saying its all bad news because they did what they said they would.

If it was so bad over the last 6 months then Easyjet shares would be outperforming Ryanair on the London Stock Exchange rather than lagging substantially behind.

Funnily enough investors tend to like companies who do as they said they would and deliver rather than fight with their owners.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 18:53
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after all the plane dived from 31,000ft to 9,000ft at 4,200fpm also in one of the busiest sectors of airspace in Europe I don't think it could be more dramatic.
Fair point, I stand corrected

I can be somewhat sceptical of media's coverage on a whole host of things, at times.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 18:56
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I can be somewhat sceptical of media's coverage on a whole host of things, at times.
Very true.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 19:37
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As a way of communicating to CC and pax that what is happening is doing so under pilot control - it sounds like a very good idea.
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 20:44
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A passenger who was on the flights said that the cabin crew were excellent in how they handled the emergency.

Just because Ryanair were operating the flight, its getting so much media coverage. Its not as if the people taken to hospital had any major problems. Remenber the captain only did what every other caption would do no matter what airline they were working for.

Ryanair desended 4200ft per minute over 7 mins but an SAS aircraft with same problem desended 4400ft per minute over 5 mins. Why is nobody talking about this.........
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Old 6th Apr 2012, 21:14
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Pressurisation issues occur at rate of about 1 a week in 2012 across Airlines and Aircraft................
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But isn't the whole problem here about MOL's quest for publicity and his constant search for sound-bites. It was only last year that he was suggesting that only one pilot was necessary per aircraft - does he feel the same now?
If, heaven forbid, Ryanair suffers a major incident with loss of life, every word that MOL has ever said/written will be minutely scrutinised, to see if any cost-cutting was involved.
Personally I am quite happy to fly Ryanair in the sense that I believe their aircraft are well maintained, but MOL invites future press condemnation with some of his comments should the worst happen.
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Easyjet load factor is up a whole 1% over the last 6 month at 86.64%. Ryanair
load factor is around 78.4% (over same 6 months), that is over 8% lower than
Easyjet. It is clear that Ryanair is getting things badly wrong and cutting
capacity is not improving load factors.
Befree, I wouldn't agree that the load factor tells us a tale that Ryanair is getting the thing wrong. A large proportion of Ryanair's markets are leisure orientated, and low frequency and as a result would not do particularly well in the winter.

Easyjet on the other hand are focused on higher frequency on routes that connect convenient airports (primary airports in the main). This is in line with a focus on business travellers. This strategy is in clear contract to Ryanair's, and it is an admission that in terms of cost Easyjet cant compete profitably in many markets. In many markets where Easyjet is well established and well known locally, it can sustain competition against Ryanair e.g. BRS, LPL, STN.

Ryanair's profitability is far superior and I have to agree with another post here, that fact that Ryanair's performance was in line with their strategy and the outcomes were largely as expected.

Going forward, the challenge is a lack of growth and with the absence of a stream of new aircraft summer growth will be challenged over recent years levels. I expect that when the fleet size doesnt grow Ryanair will be focused on where it deploys its resources in a bid to maximuse returns.
That's if it wants to continue to grow profit and shareholder returns, as one would expect.

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