BA Cityflyer

[CabinCrewe]

What was purpose of BACF EDI-IOM-MAH routing today? a Newmarket style one off taking advantage of the regular Barrhead Travel EDI charter?

[EMX81L]

IOM-MAH/PMI

Today was the start of the Freedom Travel (IOM Travel Agent) charter series from the IOM. There's 3/4 weeks of MAH, then PMI up to the end of Sept / early Oct.

The series used to be operated by Flybe until the IOM crew base closed. BACF now operate the series on the EMB170.

[32SQDN]

Do Cityflyer have any options on any further Embraers?

[BAladdy]

i think they have 1 option left

[virginblue]

For how long has BACF now employed the services of Eastern Airways? Surprised that they have not opted for replacing the leased aircraft witn another Embraer 170. Is wet-leasing a Saab 2000 indeed cheaper than operating one's own Embraer 170?

[32SQDN]

Cheers for the reply BAladdy.

[flydog]

City Flyer info

Does anyone have any RECENT relevant info on the assessment day, is it just one day or multiple days.

this thread says go to main line thread, but I read for a solid hour and did not find any valid info just whining and bitchin

appreciate any help as only a week to prepare

thanks


Diggidy

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by virginblue

For how long has BACF now employed the services of Eastern Airways? Surprised that they have not opted for replacing the leased aircraft witn another Embraer 170. Is wet-leasing a Saab 2000 indeed cheaper than operating one's own Embraer 170?

G-CDEB has been leased from T3 for nearly 3 years (Since 24JUN12).

G-CERZ was operated for BACF from 30MAR14 for 14 months and was replaced by G-CDKA on 11MAY15. Both aircraft are expected to operate on the IOM and DUS routes for BACF until at least the start of S16 schedule.

I think they have opted for the S2000 as it has 26 less seats to fill and it is still a very economical aircraft to operate.

[virginblue]

Sure, but Eastern is no charity, they want to make a cut as well.

[BAladdy]

Sure, but Eastern is no charity, they want to make a cut as well.

The only cut they will get is what they are charging BACF to lease the aircraft and crew. If I remember rightly the IOM route is subsidised by a IOM based company. The DUS route must still be profitable for BACF with T3 operating the aircraft otherwise it would have been dropped. Especially when you take into account that BACF have decided to continue leasing the DUS aircraft to free up a E170 to operate the 3 x daily GVA from September.

Personally I am surprised that they haven't handed the DUS and IOM route to Sun-Air to operate. They could operate 4 x daily with a 32 seat D328 on the IOM and DUS route.

[lfc84]

IOM isn't subsidised anymore

[virginblue]

Sun Air does not operate any LCY capable aircraft (any more). They have to lease in the Dornier 328s from a third party which certainly does not help to operate other routes than high yielding BLL profitably.

[VickersVicount]

there are 12 BACF flights in and out of GLA this weekend some of which are Barrhead travel exclusive charters. After the debacle that was the BA Mainline EDI-IBZ failed experiment, if the likes of Barrhead Travel were to take seats on BA as-is you would wonder why a seasonal BACF scheduled flight couldn't be offered, particularly to ie PMI where there are 4 EMB 190 flights alone today along with Milan, Verona, Malaga, Salzburg, Mahon and Ibiza.
Could generate additional income. It's probably the perfect size aircraft (I suspect A319 mainline might just be too big)

[BAladdy]

there are 12 BACF flights in and out of GLA this weekend some of which are Barrhead travel exclusive charters. After the debacle that was the BA Mainline EDI-IBZ failed experiment, if the likes of Barrhead Travel were to take seats on BA as-is you would wonder why a seasonal BACF scheduled flight couldn't be offered, particularly to ie PMI where there are 4 EMB 190 flights alone today along with Milan, Verona, Malaga, Salzburg, Mahon and Ibiza.
Could generate additional income. It's probably the perfect size aircraft (I suspect A319 mainline might just be too big)

Barrhead, Thomson and Thomas Cook are 3 of the operators that BACF operate charter flights on behalf of ex GLA. The tour operator pays for the lease of the aircraft the crew etc. So BACF still makes money even if the aircraft has only a handful of pax on it.

BACF operate a lot of charter flights during the weekend. This summers flying program includes:

ABZ to AGP, PMI and REU
DUB to MAH
EDI to ALC, BCN, IBZ, PMI, MAH and VCE
GLA to ALC, BCN, FAO, IBZ, MAH, PMI, AGP, SZG, VCE and VRN
HUY to ALC, BCN, PMI and VCE
IOM to MAH and PMI

I am sure I may have even left a few destinations out.

Some routes are served with multiple frequencies and depart on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday

BACF also operate winter ski charter flights from EDI to CMF and TLS

[stab3.5up]

LCYBHD

Any news on the rumoured BHD flights. I guess it's to knock BE off

[cornishsimon]

Do they have the flexibility in the fleet to add additional weekday destinations without adding Ejet frames to the fleet ?



cs

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by cornishsimon

Do they have the flexibility in the fleet to add additional weekday destinations without adding Ejet frames to the fleet ?

I don't think they do. I base this on the fact that BACF have recently said that they will continue to operate a S2000 on the DUS route through W15/16 (was originally planned as E170) to free up a aircraft to operate the new 3 x daily GVA service starting later in the year.

There have been rumours on other sites that they plan to buy another E170 fro AY but this has not been confirmed.

[cornishsimon]

With how the business currently stands both scheduled and charter they could probably utilise another 3-5 E-Jets. This would allow them to ditch eastern and slight expansion.


cs

[BAladdy]

BACF have leased a A320 from Titan today to operate a EDI-PMI-EDI charter. Tomorrow a Titan 757 will operate 2 GLA-PMI-GLA charters tomorrow and a Cello Aviation RJ85 will operate the IOM-PMI and MAH-IOM charter. Details Below:

Titan Airways A320 (G-POWK) operating:

BA4547 EDI 06:15 PMI 10:10 19JUN
BA4548 PMI 11:10 EDI 13:15 19JUN

Titan Airways 757 (G-POWH) operating:

BA4521 GLA 07:30 PMI 11:30 20JUN
BA4522 PMI 12:40 GLA 14:45 20JUN

BA4523 GLA 15:30 PMI 19:30 20JUN
BA4524 PMI 20:15 GLA 22:20 20JUN

Cello Aviation RJ85 (G-LENM) operating:

BA4541 IOM 13:25 IOM 17:15 20JUN
BA4542 MAH 19:25 IOM 21:15 20JUN


Additionally BACF have cancelled one of the 3 PMI charter flights scheduled to operate ex GLA.

BA4533 GLA 07:00 PMI 11:00 20JUN
BA4534 PMI 12:00 GLA 14:05 20JUN

I take it BACF are having a few tech probs with there E-Jets at the moment?.

[withington]

No, I think they have crew problems!