BA Cityflyer

[richardwpprn]

LON-MIL is saturated with flights, from BA, Ryanair, easyJet, Alitalia.

[AirLCY]

LCY-LIN must do ok for AZ, 5 daily!

[richardwpprn]

I think AZ get some feed at LIN.

[Skipness One Echo]

LON-MIL is saturated with flights, from BA, Ryanair, easyJet, Alitalia.

It's Swanwick Mil nowadays I think?

It does rather feel CFE are falling out of love with LCY. The airport charges are quite high and the amount of churn on the route network is worryingly high of late. It seems BA (again) have forced the competition out, won then realised they're not quite sure what to do next.
Even LCY-JFK can't be that secure as reliability, already not the best, will only get worse with a single aircraft operation.

[davidjohnson6]

Flying from LCY is a big bet on whether post-Brexit, banks, insurers, fund managers, etc can continue to operate across the EU from London due to regulatory passporting / equivalency, or whether they need to move a sizeable chunk of operations to somewhere that remains in the EU. This of course all depends on how Westminster and Brussels get on in the Brexit negotiations - if passporting / equivalency is not allowed in a meaningful way, expect LCY to see some degree of pain. BACF will be well aware of the possible risk to profitable operations at LCY

[BAladdy]

London City to Milan

BA7303 LCY 10:15 LIN 13:15 E90 x7
BA7307 LCY 19:20 LIN 22:20 E90 x6

BA7300 LIN 06:55 LCY 07:50 E90 x7
BA7300 LIN 17:55 LCY 18:50 E90 x6

London Stansted to Milan

BA7309 STN 10:10 LIN 13:15 E90 7
BA7309 STN 19:25 LIN 22:20 E90 6

BA7308 LIN 06:55 STN 07:55 E90 7
BA7308 LIN 17:55 STN 18:55 E90 6

BACF will also operate a weekly scheduled service on a Friday from EDI to PMI from June operated by a E90

[nguba]

EDI to PMI confirmed a long with DUB to IBZ:

British Airways - NEW SUMMER SUN FLIGHTS FROM DUBLIN AND EDINBURGH

[inOban]

These Fri morning BACF flights are possible because there is little business traffic on a Fri am. They are needed for the pm flights for those who are employed in London or Edinburgh during the week and return home on Friday evenings. For the same reason the planes must return to their usual routes for Sunday afternoon.

[ELondonPax]

it's quite a leap to go from observing that Cityflyer is adding a few niche weekend routes - at times when LCY is closed/restricted hours - and suddenly inferring that they're abandoning LCY.

[virginblue]

While I understand the idea behind the leisure routes from LCY where BACF has no LC/IT competition, what is the concept behind flights from places like EDI, DUB, BHX, STN where BACF is competing with airlines operating to the same destinations with 180-220 seaters? I see the need to keep the Embraers flying when they are not needed/allowed at LCY, but can this really make money? Can BACF charge a considerable premium for flights on the "BA" brand and on a somewhat more comfortable, smaller aircraft so that the higher operating costs for a 100seater are offset?

[inOban]

Previously the BACF flights from EDI have been fully chartered, except when they tried overnight flights to IBZ a couple of years ago. They were generally Barrhead Travel flights, and were promoted as BA flights. This year there is a Malaga flight which is a TOM charter. I suspect that BA are hoping to sell surplus seats, not the whole plane.

[pamann]

Avios could be part of the reason folk will book with them. It's certainly why I have.

Some don't like travelling low cost either. I know BA aren't a great deal different these days to the likes of EZY etc, but those E190's are fantastic from a customer point of view especially the 2-2 seating and the legroom is pretty generous. No one trying to flog you lotto tickets whilst you sit back and relax either. It's quite a pleasant experience IMHO.

[FQTLSteve]

I agree with you pamann. I do AGP-BHX > 15 x year, I choose by time but also by comfort with Monarch extra legroom seats and similarly with Vueling, and have already booked the first AGP-BHX BA flight. I was a Silver Executive club until BA became London Airways in 2006.......will happily use BA again at a premium, and those E jets are really comfortable.

[nguba]

In addition to the brand and frequent flyer programme, BA Holidays has been a bit of a game changer for BA over the past few years. They can sell a broad range of holiday packages via ba.com

[virginblue]

So how do these flights / IT-packages compare price-wise with easyjet, Monarch, Jet2 or Thomson on those routes? Would be interesting if the concept worked to offer a somewhat more expensive and slightly less frugal flight product in these times of a never-ending race to the bottom of air travel.

Avios could be part of the reason folk will book with them. It's certainly why I have.

Undoubtedly so - but this is something BA will not base its decision on unless that keeps those travelling on Avios away from more lucrative flights elsewhere (assumig that Avios mainly mean redemptin of air miles earned on BA flights - I am not familiar with Avios in general, i.e. how much other companies pay to BA via the Avios scheme).

[AdamThePassenger]

Slight schedule change - IOM flights are now Eastern S2000 only, no more E-Jets. Bergerac is now entirely E-Jets with no more S2000s.

Adam

[BAladdy]

Originally Posted by inOban

Previously the BACF flights from EDI have been fully chartered, except when they tried overnight flights to IBZ a couple of years ago. They were generally Barrhead Travel flights, and were promoted as BA flights. This year there is a Malaga flight which is a TOM charter. I suspect that BA are hoping to sell surplus seats, not the whole plane

IBZ - The flight you mention was never operated by BACF, it was operated by BA mainline using a LHR based aircraft and crew.

This year BACF will once again operate the MAH service operated in previous years for TOM as well as the AGP service you mention. They will also operate the weekly service to PMI that was operated last year on behalf of Barrhead.

[BAladdy]

There have been a few rumours online that IAG are poised to make a order for a number of c-series aircraft with the aircraft being ordered for EI, VY and BA.

British Airways owner 'lined up to buy' C Series jets from Bombardier - BelfastTelegraph.co.uk

Would these aircraft have a longer range from LCY than the current E190SR's?

[SWBKCB]

Aren't Cityflyer limited to 100 seats by some sort of 'scope' agreement with BA mainline? When (if?) is the C-series being certified for LCY?

[Buster the Bear]

I read a while back that the C-Series can comfortably fly from London City to Dubai with 80+ passengers.

Odyssey are/were planning west coast of America.