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I've put a link in the Cityjet thread to another report issued by LCY.
That lists all versions of the RJ separately, and seems to state that only the RJ100 version has breached the noise limit.
That lists all versions of the RJ separately, and seems to state that only the RJ100 version has breached the noise limit.
Flybe problem at LCY this morning
Flybe seem to have a problem getting their flights into LCY this morning. Two went around and immediately diverted to SEN and a third has just landed there following a long hold. On a f/book forum an icing problem was mentioned.
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I've put a link in the Cityjet thread to another report issued by LCY.
That lists all versions of the RJ separately, and seems to state that only the RJ100 version has breached the noise limit.
That lists all versions of the RJ separately, and seems to state that only the RJ100 version has breached the noise limit.
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Flybe seem to have a problem getting their flights into LCY this morning
The 11:55 amendment to the F215 08:00 to 17:00 sig weather chart forecast isolated Severe Icing in the South-East so that was probably what caused the diversions.
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It looks like just Flybe flights have been affected so presumably some issue with the Dash 8 specifically as other types (Jet and Turboprop) seem to have operated successfully?
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An icing landing on Flybe's Q400s (one where ice has accrued on the airframe and not shed off) is prohibited going into LCY. The primary reason is the extra speed required as a protection for having the ice accrued. It would be interesting to see if LuxAir landed their dashes with ice on board.
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The first Luxair arrival was cancelled.
Flybe flights from Edinburgh landed at 0757 and from Dusseldorf landed at 0812.
The subsequent Flybe arrivals (0835-0920) all diverted.
Luxair's 1055 flight landed at 1120.
Thanks for the explanation re the Q400 icing limitation.
Flybe flights from Edinburgh landed at 0757 and from Dusseldorf landed at 0812.
The subsequent Flybe arrivals (0835-0920) all diverted.
Luxair's 1055 flight landed at 1120.
Thanks for the explanation re the Q400 icing limitation.
Last edited by kirkbymoorside; 26th Jan 2017 at 14:20. Reason: Correct typo
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My only surprise is that this morning was the first all week when my car, parked within earshot of LCY, didn't require a substantial early morning de-icing process before starting off. Now it may be that the conditions on the approach were reversed, but that seems unlikely, humidity was much less this morning, the freezing fog has gone, it was Cavok, while temperatures have been consistently around zero.
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I believe there was a temperature inversion going on, with cold air trapped near the surface by warmer air above.
Conducive to icing?
(Also noticed a very occasional tiny flake of snow mid-morning)
Conducive to icing?
(Also noticed a very occasional tiny flake of snow mid-morning)
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So, no Dash 8 operations during temperature inversions. Seems a bit extreme. Nothing I recall before. Is it in any way connected to the Colgan Dash 8 accident at Buffalo, where the crew were deeply discussing tailplane icing on the approach ?
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I think you're missing the point entirely. The aircraft can cope with icing perfectly I was kinda hoping you'd know a little bit about LCY as an airport as that will reveal your answer. LCY has a short runway but more importantly it has a 5.5 degree glideslope, this makes it a very unique airport to fly into. It is a category C airport which means it's captains only landings. When you have ice on the Q400 airframe you have to increase your vref speed by 15 knots. This is very limiting in regards to landing performance due to the nature of LCY operations. The Q400 can land at GCI and SOU in icing just fine so it has no issues with ice apart from LCY. Whether this is a operator stipulation or an aircraft AOM stipulation I'm not sure and neither do I get paid enough to know. I just do as I'm told; if you have ice detected and ice on the airframe then landing at LCY is prohibited. If you are so inclined to find out how other Q400 operators operate into there you may find the answer, but for me, I've got more important things in life to worry about.
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One has to wonder if this is just a coincidence or indicates a general downturn - if I have not missed something, over a short period of time seven LCY services by WX and BA have been cancelled:
Paris
Nantes
Madrid
Hamburg
Genf (becomes seasonal)
Alicante (not resumed)
Angers
+ NYC halved.
*scratcheshead*
Paris
Nantes
Madrid
Hamburg
Genf (becomes seasonal)
Alicante (not resumed)
Angers
+ NYC halved.
*scratcheshead*