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supposedly a saab aircraft but only monday will tell. wouldnt be to shocked if there is nothing but a dornier on the apron though. its the passengers and old WEA crew i feel sorry for
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if whoosh do get another aircraft and it is the one that it is rumoured to be then they are going to need another one to fit the bags on. the cabin area is tiny enough but the the hold is even smaller. no way passengers and bags are fitting on at the same time unless its a flight of 5 passengers
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If its PLAJ ...oh 
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Will the fares remain the same?
Lets say it is a J31, are the costs likely to be higher or lower? Can a company founded using 1 ATR 42 on it routes, with the relevant passanger numbers and loads really expect to survive using a much smaller aircraft?
And why oh dear if it's the aircraft mentioned above?
Lets say it is a J31, are the costs likely to be higher or lower? Can a company founded using 1 ATR 42 on it routes, with the relevant passanger numbers and loads really expect to survive using a much smaller aircraft?
And why oh dear if it's the aircraft mentioned above?
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Are WEA in financial difficulties? The ATR42 they had leased from Coventry based Air Atlantique was returned to the lessor over the weekend, earlier than expected I gather.
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I read that the leaser wanted the aircraft back for certain reasons, and that they will bring in a nother aircraft for a short while until they get a full time aircraft again... Proberly another ATR or possibly a DH4
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Are WEA in financial difficulties? The ATR42 they had leased from Coventry based Air Atlantique was returned to the lessor over the weekend, earlier than expected I gather.
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One could be forgiven for believing that somebody has not paid somebody else!!
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One could be forgiven for believing that somebody has not paid somebody else!!
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that rumour is correct as far as i can make out and i have good sources. as for the fares, im not to sure if they will stay the same or be reduced. i would imagine they would stay the same though. not to sure if whoosh would be able to survive with a smaller aircraft, thats if they get back off the ground again(pardon the pun). some of the passenger figures are ideal for the aircraft they are set to be getting, again, only problem being hold baggage space. lets face it though, how can an airline expect to survive with only one aircraft! perfect example being whoosh....flight goes tech, no additional aircraft to draft in, passengers stranded, flights cancelled, wait for parts bing delivered then fitted and then, worst case scenario, hiring a plane from another airline for an extra additional expense. summary:an airline cannot survive with one aircraft!
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WEA withdrew both aircraft and crew from there base in dundee and as far as iam aware they went back to poland. whoosh will not be gettin another ATR, more likely to be a jetstream or something small like that.
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If it ends up being then PLAJ then is JXTA not the backup ? They have 2 j31's don't they? I wonder if the OL holder is happy having Whoosh sell tickets against there AOC/OL ? I can only presume they must be if they are going to fly the route! I personally would not trust Mr M. I would expect the yields to go up not down or remain the same in order to make it work ? 
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mr m, in my opinion, is definitely not a man to be trusted, his track record of succesful airlines isnt good either. whoever is working in new partnership is not very clever! do they have any cabin crew yet?
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This was not the year to start an airline - of any size. It was abundantly clear that we were at the end of the economic cycle and a downturn imminent.
Irrespective of technical problems, this looked like a dream.
Irrespective of technical problems, this looked like a dream.
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The crew will be the responsibility of the operator I would presume in this deal, I think this new operator if it is the J31, has cabin crew approval from the Blackpool days earlier this year. Whether one will be provided for this operation remains to be seen.
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No news on the Flywhoosh site i see !! Has the deal fallen through ? Have they seen through Mr M ?
Hope all goes well and a new operator can be found. A J31 is just way too small for the route. Yes occasionally numbers were as low as 5, but then it was also full sometimes, definately think a 30 seater is about right for the route. So we wait and see with interest !
Did hear that there had been some sort of takeover/new directors at WEA ? Whether they have decided that they just didn't want to stay at dundee, i just don't know ? Shame though as routes did seem to be working....
Hope all goes well and a new operator can be found. A J31 is just way too small for the route. Yes occasionally numbers were as low as 5, but then it was also full sometimes, definately think a 30 seater is about right for the route. So we wait and see with interest !
Did hear that there had been some sort of takeover/new directors at WEA ? Whether they have decided that they just didn't want to stay at dundee, i just don't know ? Shame though as routes did seem to be working....
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Correct me if i am wrong but didn't the old Commercial Director of Flywho/blu become the MD of WEA when Flywho/blu did not go-ahead? Then he and Murcott put together the ATR/Dundee deal, only for him to then leave WEA.
WEA left Dundee/Flywhoosh as they were unhappy with the deal the two had put together ???
WEA left Dundee/Flywhoosh as they were unhappy with the deal the two had put together ???
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Am I asking a daft question, but if Whoosh have proven the market, why wouldn't someone like Logan (perhaps not so likely due aircraft availability?) or Eastern (have the aircraft and BHX/BHD would arguably fit better into their network) have given this a close look?
I wonder whether yield versus load told very different stories...?
I wonder whether yield versus load told very different stories...?
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Well, seems like you are absolutely right. Allan Fullilove was Commercial Director of FlyWho, WEA website confirms that he is their CEO.
However there are some rumours claiming that just before suspending flights Mr F. was outplaced immediately by WEA owners.
Looks like old friends - Aden's "selling tickets agency" in cooperation with Mr Fullilove have found a way for earning money in the same, infamous style as FlyWho did.
I wonder how it happened again.
However there are some rumours claiming that just before suspending flights Mr F. was outplaced immediately by WEA owners.
Looks like old friends - Aden's "selling tickets agency" in cooperation with Mr Fullilove have found a way for earning money in the same, infamous style as FlyWho did.
I wonder how it happened again.
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http://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2...10687699t0.asp
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, at the end of the day its not going to do much for the credibility of either party.
I note alse that "Thursday 13th December" on the flywhoosh site has become "asap"
Good point re. viability of one / both routes, hopefully whoosh have proved that their may be sufficient demand for these services from Dundee and, along with HIAL now running the show, this may attract others to pick these routes up.
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, at the end of the day its not going to do much for the credibility of either party.
I note alse that "Thursday 13th December" on the flywhoosh site has become "asap"
Good point re. viability of one / both routes, hopefully whoosh have proved that their may be sufficient demand for these services from Dundee and, along with HIAL now running the show, this may attract others to pick these routes up.
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HIA will put up with no nonsense from whoosh. severely doubt whoosh will be goin anywhere on monday though, theres no word on who the new people are, no aircraft, nothing! will just have to wait and see (and claim my winnings when it doesnt go anywhere on monday haha)