Jobs in Africa (2011 onwards) part 3.
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I do not have idea of what was the situation that you are talikng about,no offence but regardind your consideration about "Its a small industry and everyone hears about these things quickly No one wants to employ an arrogant ......." how is possible that if a pilot has problems with the top management cannot find a job anywhere , but if a top management bring a company to a bankrupty due to incompetence and nepotisme ,always find another job never the less is a small industry?Discrimination?Thank you
I do not have idea of what was the situation that you are talikng about,no offence but regardind your consideration about "Its a small industry and everyone hears about these things quickly No one wants to employ an arrogant ......." how is possible that if a pilot has problems with the top management cannot find a job anywhere , but if a top management bring a company to a bankrupty due to incompetence and nepotisme ,always find another job never the less is a small industry?Discrimination?Thank you
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Sadly Jerry Krause has been reported missing recently, as I'm sure you're aware of and this could have had an impact in the lack of response.
I did however notice an add up on Climbto350, which tells me they are looking. And by looking at their history the turnaround seems to be about 6months to a year. Just keep trying.
I did however notice an add up on Climbto350, which tells me they are looking. And by looking at their history the turnaround seems to be about 6months to a year. Just keep trying.
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Flying Jobs in Congo
Some help please. I hold an SACAA ATP and my husband has been posted to Congo. Flew contracts here many moons ago but not sure of who is operating in the area either Congo or DRC. I am looking for job so any help on names of operators will be great. Thanks
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Hi, you could try the CAA, CAA - Compagnie Africaine d'Aviation - Kinshasa - R.D.Congo. I've flown with them out there before between big cities when I was bush flying there.
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Hi, new here.
Ok guys, forgive me if this is in the wrong forum.
A bit of background on me before I ask any questions.
I'm 27 and I've spent the last 10 years of my life as an infantry soldier in the British Forces. Always had an interest in flying, even though I've never got around to doing it. I love my fitness, do a fair bit of gym work and crossfit.
Ok, think that will do for now
I'm considering being a pilot as a career. After my final tour of Afghan I am considering going for my PPL, then CPL. When I achieve all that I would love to fly in Africa as a bush pilot.
I'd really like to hear your opinions on this, also can't find exactly what i'd need (qualification wise) to try for a job on the Continent.
Has someone got a list of requirements? and do you think this is mad?
Cheers
A bit of background on me before I ask any questions.
I'm 27 and I've spent the last 10 years of my life as an infantry soldier in the British Forces. Always had an interest in flying, even though I've never got around to doing it. I love my fitness, do a fair bit of gym work and crossfit.
Ok, think that will do for now
I'm considering being a pilot as a career. After my final tour of Afghan I am considering going for my PPL, then CPL. When I achieve all that I would love to fly in Africa as a bush pilot.
I'd really like to hear your opinions on this, also can't find exactly what i'd need (qualification wise) to try for a job on the Continent.
Has someone got a list of requirements? and do you think this is mad?
Cheers
Welcome Rocks.
You'll need a thick skin at times round here but in the main we're not too bad. The fact you've been in the Army should sort that one out.
There is a thread already running about Maun try here http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...ial-guide.html
I believe the restrictions on first time pilots is getting worse but this thread is an amazing read so enjoy.
You'll need a thick skin at times round here but in the main we're not too bad. The fact you've been in the Army should sort that one out.
There is a thread already running about Maun try here http://www.pprune.org/african-aviati...ial-guide.html
I believe the restrictions on first time pilots is getting worse but this thread is an amazing read so enjoy.
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Mate, far from mad! From your post you are young, fit, motivated (and not just for the filthy coin), intelligent and disciplined. Nothing is impossible, and from the sounds of it this is far from it. Go for it! and good luck!
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CPL FROM SOUTH AFRICA ( SCAA)
Age:26 , multi engine - IF on seneca 1 total hrs: 220 single engine on c172 searching for a job in africa, available
Age:26 , multi engine - IF on seneca 1 total hrs: 220 single engine on c172 searching for a job in africa, available
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Hi guys, first of all i am amazed by all the replies on this thread, amazing stories and knowledge transmitted in such short line.
Having in mind that i always wanted some adventure during my aviation growth I am thinking about going to somewhere in Africa, ME, Indonesia and all these place that are commonly known by us. But, here is my doubt.
I saw many pilots here that have JAA / FAA licenses, but in my case, I am from Brazil, own a CPL+IR MULTI, ENGLISH LEVEL6, SECURITY OFFICER, JET TRAINING, FI and about 210TT, would i be able to find any job in those places? What would be the first step? Suggestions of where to go? I saw about Namibia and Botswana, but my doubt is about the acceptance of the Brazilian license for the conversion.
Thanks for all and sorry for any inconvenience.
Having in mind that i always wanted some adventure during my aviation growth I am thinking about going to somewhere in Africa, ME, Indonesia and all these place that are commonly known by us. But, here is my doubt.
I saw many pilots here that have JAA / FAA licenses, but in my case, I am from Brazil, own a CPL+IR MULTI, ENGLISH LEVEL6, SECURITY OFFICER, JET TRAINING, FI and about 210TT, would i be able to find any job in those places? What would be the first step? Suggestions of where to go? I saw about Namibia and Botswana, but my doubt is about the acceptance of the Brazilian license for the conversion.
Thanks for all and sorry for any inconvenience.
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Does anyone know of any job openings for Helicopter pilots in Africa?
2.000hrs TOT
1.800Hrs AS350 PIC
FAA CPL/IR
JAA CPL and soon
IR
open for anything
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Long Term in Nigeria
Dear All,
I seek Long Term Commitment in Nigeria; my wife is from Yoruba descent and very proud of her African Heritage.
Current Hawker 900XP PIC/TRI/TRE with 1,340 Hrs. on Type.
Please advise on opportunity you may know about.
Thanks and wish you All the very best.
Best Regards
I seek Long Term Commitment in Nigeria; my wife is from Yoruba descent and very proud of her African Heritage.
Current Hawker 900XP PIC/TRI/TRE with 1,340 Hrs. on Type.
Please advise on opportunity you may know about.
Thanks and wish you All the very best.
Best Regards
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Young American pilot looking for stepping stone...
Hello, all! Brian here, First thread post on PPRune here. Glad to be a member of the community now. I am a long time member of Jetcareers and was directed to this site for a specific reason. Before I get into that, quick background information:
-19 Years old, based in Chicago, IL
-CPL Multi-Instrument Airplane, CFI; soon to be MEI & CFII
-Currently Instructing at a 141 International-affiliated flight school
-Current time: Total: 440; Multi: 125 (115 being in a Cessna 320)
-Looking to move on up to a different type of flying
As I mentioned, I am looking to move on up. I got my CFI to build time but I'd really like to do something else. Instructing is great but I sure as hell don't plan on doing it for 1000s of hours or my career. I'd like to get into actually flying. As an instructor, you sit there, b*tch and see all the mistakes and barely touch the controls....at least only when you're about to die.
The jobs in North America are harder to come by than I had been anticipating. But, what the hell can I expect as a 19 year old pilot. Anyways, with this new ATP rule kicked in, it's even harder now....maybe not harder but much longer time-taking process. 135 operations out here are 1200 minimum and 91 is who you know. Not to mention how the pay is for regionals. I don't feel like getting <20K a year as an F/O after spending 100K on my training. So, I'd like to move into something else which leads me here.
I recently was told by my boss about bush flying in Africa and it caught me in the thought. I've been doing some reading and web browsing about this career path. I am very interested and I would to here from others on their stance and my position I am in. How I would come about getting into this type of flying. I don't have a wife or anything that I wouldn't be able to leave this country for; I'd only leave this country for the aircraft that would be waiting for me.
I purchased the e-Book of "Low Time Pilots Guide to African Bush Flying" and will get through it soon enough.
As I said, I would like some insight on people that have had first-hand experience with this route or people that have some knowledge about it.
I understand I am in a good position for my age but I would like a different kind of flying, an adventurous type that bush flying would bring out.
Feel free to message me for anything, once again, any insights would be helpful! Thanks!
-19 Years old, based in Chicago, IL
-CPL Multi-Instrument Airplane, CFI; soon to be MEI & CFII
-Currently Instructing at a 141 International-affiliated flight school
-Current time: Total: 440; Multi: 125 (115 being in a Cessna 320)
-Looking to move on up to a different type of flying
As I mentioned, I am looking to move on up. I got my CFI to build time but I'd really like to do something else. Instructing is great but I sure as hell don't plan on doing it for 1000s of hours or my career. I'd like to get into actually flying. As an instructor, you sit there, b*tch and see all the mistakes and barely touch the controls....at least only when you're about to die.
The jobs in North America are harder to come by than I had been anticipating. But, what the hell can I expect as a 19 year old pilot. Anyways, with this new ATP rule kicked in, it's even harder now....maybe not harder but much longer time-taking process. 135 operations out here are 1200 minimum and 91 is who you know. Not to mention how the pay is for regionals. I don't feel like getting <20K a year as an F/O after spending 100K on my training. So, I'd like to move into something else which leads me here.
I recently was told by my boss about bush flying in Africa and it caught me in the thought. I've been doing some reading and web browsing about this career path. I am very interested and I would to here from others on their stance and my position I am in. How I would come about getting into this type of flying. I don't have a wife or anything that I wouldn't be able to leave this country for; I'd only leave this country for the aircraft that would be waiting for me.
I purchased the e-Book of "Low Time Pilots Guide to African Bush Flying" and will get through it soon enough.
As I said, I would like some insight on people that have had first-hand experience with this route or people that have some knowledge about it.
I understand I am in a good position for my age but I would like a different kind of flying, an adventurous type that bush flying would bring out.
Feel free to message me for anything, once again, any insights would be helpful! Thanks!
JF,
Firstly your statement of "jobs in North America being a bit harder to come by than I thought" would raise a few eyebrows right now. All the majors seem to be hiring as well as many cargo operators. As you are 19 and have less than 1500 hours you aren't eligible for these jobs but it does mean some upward movement will make places available at the bottom of the chain which is where you are right now. I noticed on many websites jobs for CFI's in the USA being very abundant. Many advertise "fly 100 hours a month". At that rate you would have your 1200TT in less than a year and be in one of those Part 135 operations doing some of what you would call "real flying". I saw some PA31 operators advertising pay in the low 30's to start and work only 5 nights a week. That's much better than the starting pay than at your 121 operators flying the CRJ's etc. Africa is really seen as a place to go when you have no option in your home country. The USA right now I would say would be brimming with opportunity.
Plenty of Part 135 operators out there advertising for crew. If you want to go overseas for a while I would suggest getting some decent SIC time on a M23/EMB120/B1900 or some PIC on a PA31 or a Caravan. That will put you in a much better position with companies in say Africa or Asia. The only thing you will get overseas with less than 500 hours is flying tourists around Botswana. Get some good hours before you go and you could be in something much bigger.
Firstly your statement of "jobs in North America being a bit harder to come by than I thought" would raise a few eyebrows right now. All the majors seem to be hiring as well as many cargo operators. As you are 19 and have less than 1500 hours you aren't eligible for these jobs but it does mean some upward movement will make places available at the bottom of the chain which is where you are right now. I noticed on many websites jobs for CFI's in the USA being very abundant. Many advertise "fly 100 hours a month". At that rate you would have your 1200TT in less than a year and be in one of those Part 135 operations doing some of what you would call "real flying". I saw some PA31 operators advertising pay in the low 30's to start and work only 5 nights a week. That's much better than the starting pay than at your 121 operators flying the CRJ's etc. Africa is really seen as a place to go when you have no option in your home country. The USA right now I would say would be brimming with opportunity.
Plenty of Part 135 operators out there advertising for crew. If you want to go overseas for a while I would suggest getting some decent SIC time on a M23/EMB120/B1900 or some PIC on a PA31 or a Caravan. That will put you in a much better position with companies in say Africa or Asia. The only thing you will get overseas with less than 500 hours is flying tourists around Botswana. Get some good hours before you go and you could be in something much bigger.
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How did you pay 100k for your training ?
I paid around 50k from start to CFI/CFII, and that's including accommodation and living costs.
I suggest you to stay in the US for now, build time an try to land a job at a 135 till you can get a better job opportunity.
At least that's what I'd do.
I'm currently flying in Africa (not bush), and let me tell you that i'd love to go back to the states if I could.
I paid around 50k from start to CFI/CFII, and that's including accommodation and living costs.
I suggest you to stay in the US for now, build time an try to land a job at a 135 till you can get a better job opportunity.
At least that's what I'd do.
I'm currently flying in Africa (not bush), and let me tell you that i'd love to go back to the states if I could.
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First of all, Go to college, get a degree.
Reach 500 hours, then other opportunities open up for you in the US. Examples are skydive pilot, aerial surveying, pipeline patrol.
I've got a friend who reached 1000 hours before his 19th birthday, mostly instructing and towing gliders but also flying a piston twin for a part 91 owner/operator. Before his 19th birthday he got hired to fly a turboprop for a part 135 operator. Keep in mind, 1200TT is for part 135 PIC. If they are operating multicrew, you can get hired with less time as a SIC. My friend got hired to fly a metroliner as SIC with only 1000TT.
I know another guy who went up to Alaska with only 500TT and got hired to fly a B1900 as SIC for a part 135 operator, and another guy who got hired to do pipeline patrol in Texas with less than 300TT. I also heard that pictometry companies are hiring now for their upcoming season. You'll spend a lot of time on the road and learn a lot and they hire low time guys.
The thing about Africa is that I know a couple guys who went there and they said that there were dozens of pilots and not many jobs going around. Some came back home empty handed and a couple stayed for several months before they landed a job. I haven't been there so I can't say exactly what it is like, but in the US, there are jobs, you just have to be 1. Willing to move and find them and 2. Have the right experience level, and at under 500 hours
Reach 500 hours, then other opportunities open up for you in the US. Examples are skydive pilot, aerial surveying, pipeline patrol.
I've got a friend who reached 1000 hours before his 19th birthday, mostly instructing and towing gliders but also flying a piston twin for a part 91 owner/operator. Before his 19th birthday he got hired to fly a turboprop for a part 135 operator. Keep in mind, 1200TT is for part 135 PIC. If they are operating multicrew, you can get hired with less time as a SIC. My friend got hired to fly a metroliner as SIC with only 1000TT.
I know another guy who went up to Alaska with only 500TT and got hired to fly a B1900 as SIC for a part 135 operator, and another guy who got hired to do pipeline patrol in Texas with less than 300TT. I also heard that pictometry companies are hiring now for their upcoming season. You'll spend a lot of time on the road and learn a lot and they hire low time guys.
The thing about Africa is that I know a couple guys who went there and they said that there were dozens of pilots and not many jobs going around. Some came back home empty handed and a couple stayed for several months before they landed a job. I haven't been there so I can't say exactly what it is like, but in the US, there are jobs, you just have to be 1. Willing to move and find them and 2. Have the right experience level, and at under 500 hours
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Why go and get a degree first? He wants to be a pilot, not an engineer. Do Doctors need and engineering degree before becoming Doctors or do Engineers need a Doctors degree before becoming Engineers? 
Everybody keeps telling young pilots to get a degree as a "backup" but please listen to me when I tell you, that after 10 years of having a degree and no experience in that field because you have been as pilot, IT IS WORTHLESS!!!
Don't waste your time with a degree unless you want to fly for fun and work in your field of study.
Do some more instruction, do a convex on a 206,207 and/or 210, get either the C208 or B200 in your log book, RH seat is fine, and pack your bags and go and see Africa. I've been there and done it, YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE AND LIFE IS TO SHORT, and when you get to sitting in the RH seat of an B737 going to the same place everyday, you will be so glad you did it too!!
Oh, and by the way, a college degree is only good in the US, the rest of the world calls it a diploma, and I would rather have my ATP than a Diploma.
Everybody keeps telling young pilots to get a degree as a "backup" but please listen to me when I tell you, that after 10 years of having a degree and no experience in that field because you have been as pilot, IT IS WORTHLESS!!!
Don't waste your time with a degree unless you want to fly for fun and work in your field of study.
Do some more instruction, do a convex on a 206,207 and/or 210, get either the C208 or B200 in your log book, RH seat is fine, and pack your bags and go and see Africa. I've been there and done it, YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE AND LIFE IS TO SHORT, and when you get to sitting in the RH seat of an B737 going to the same place everyday, you will be so glad you did it too!!
Oh, and by the way, a college degree is only good in the US, the rest of the world calls it a diploma, and I would rather have my ATP than a Diploma.
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B200,
Actually the rest of the world call it a Bachelor of something. A degree is a degree. Mostly you will find around the world the the first year of college/University is equal to a "Diploma" and if you do two years its an "Associates" Degree. I don't really agree with the two year thing but any more than 2 years and its a Bachelor's either 3 or 4 years. Arts is normally 3 and Engineering usually 4.
The only real difference is in the US as they call the High School qualification a Diploma.
If he wants to join a US major down the track he will need a College/University qualification. Usually a 4 year Bachelor.
Actually the rest of the world call it a Bachelor of something. A degree is a degree. Mostly you will find around the world the the first year of college/University is equal to a "Diploma" and if you do two years its an "Associates" Degree. I don't really agree with the two year thing but any more than 2 years and its a Bachelor's either 3 or 4 years. Arts is normally 3 and Engineering usually 4.
The only real difference is in the US as they call the High School qualification a Diploma.
If he wants to join a US major down the track he will need a College/University qualification. Usually a 4 year Bachelor.
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Off the African topic, but some Alaskan 135 cargo operators will pick you up around 500TT. Era, TransNorthern, ACE, and Evert's to name a few. Spring is your best bet to get picked up. They don't pay too well to start, but it's a foot in the door flying. 1900s, Metros, DC3s, DC6s, and 208s are what they operate.