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femfly 30th August 2024 13:17

Does anyone have advise on the in-person interview? Also wonder who has applications in at BA and also Virgin. Which do you think you'll go for given the choice?

Kibathepilot 31st August 2024 10:52

What are the part time contracts like for longhaul?

White Van Driver 31st August 2024 12:19


Originally Posted by Kibathepilot (Post 11726524)
What are the part time contracts like for longhaul?

87.5% contract is 7 weeks on 1 weeks off
75% contract is 3 weeks on 1 week off
50% contract is 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

The weeks all run Thurs-Weds.

There are also 72% and 56(?)% aspirational part time contracts which are essentially based on calendar months and are 2 months on 1 month off or 1 month on 1 month off respectively, but you have to do a trip for recency in your month off. They haven't approved any of these for a few years however!

A320LGW 31st August 2024 18:25

Are Caribbean trips on the 777 possible for a newbie or do they go senior only? I'm guessing senior due to the nature of the destinations?

White Van Driver 31st August 2024 19:07


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11726704)
Are Caribbean trips on the 777 possible for a newbie or do they go senior only? I'm guessing senior due to the nature of the destinations?

Big variety in popularity depending on the destination. You'll be able to get a Caribbean every now and then as a junior... but you can't be too picky regarding where or when.

KIN is fairly junior.
POS is also fairly junior
ANU with a shuttle not super senior
NAS with a shuttle also not super senior
UVF fairly popular
3day trips without shuttle fairly senior (UVF, NAS)
PUJ one of the most senior trips on the fleet

A320LGW 31st August 2024 19:24

Thank you for the insight White Van. Just trying to get an idea of what it can/cannot look like as a newbie. Reading these forums it all seems fairly bleak with high fatigue and not so attractive destinations (not that that's going to cause me to scrap the application)

White Van Driver 31st August 2024 19:47


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 11726732)
Thank you for the insight White Van. Just trying to get an idea of what it can/cannot look like as a newbie. Reading these forums it all seems fairly bleak with high fatigue and not so attractive destinations (not that that's going to cause me to scrap the application)

I've always been a very optimistic person so take my advice with that in mind. But I've found even as junior there's a great variety on the 777. You'll do Middle east (probably RUH instead of DXB), Caribbean (KIN instead of PUJ), N.America (JFK instead of BNA) and Africa (ABV instead of CPT).

Kibathepilot 1st September 2024 14:25

Thanks for the reply on contracts! Do you need to be in the company a certain amount of time to apply for one?

what sort of destinations would a new 787 FO be sent to? Would you get much of the Asia trips or are they more senior?

RexBanner 1st September 2024 14:52


Originally Posted by White Van Driver (Post 11726721)
Big variety in popularity depending on the destination. You'll be able to get a Caribbean every now and then as a junior... but you can't be too picky regarding where or when.

KIN is fairly junior.
POS is also fairly junior
ANU with a shuttle not super senior
NAS with a shuttle also not super senior
UVF fairly popular
3day trips without shuttle fairly senior (UVF, NAS)
PUJ one of the most senior trips on the fleet

+1 to what’s been posted here regarding PUJ. I’m on another fleet but I’ve done quite a few of them as cling on to cabin crew other half, probably more than White Van Driver :) Never seen a single P1 or P2 on it that wasn’t in the top 20% (probably top 15%) of their respective seniority lists, especially for the five day trips. I would hazard a guess that the Mon-Fri five day PUJ is amongst the most senior trips in the whole of BA. I know it’s not Caribbean but MRU is reasonably achievable for a low seniority FO. It’s worth factoring in that LGW trips aren’t necessarily the most sought after for those commuting from the north so that sometimes skews it.

Kibathepilot 2nd September 2024 19:13

How long do you need to be in the company to get a part time contract?

White Van Driver 3rd September 2024 20:45


Originally Posted by Kibathepilot (Post 11727822)
How long do you need to be in the company to get a part time contract?

You can bid aspirational part time once per year. But I don't think this is given out much in busy times like present. However I believe after 2 or 3 years bidding unsuccessfully for aspirational part time they must give you 87.5% contract.

Other way in is Right to Request which is assessed on a case by case basis.

Kibathepilot 4th September 2024 16:04


Originally Posted by White Van Driver (Post 11728439)
You can bid aspirational part time once per year. But I don't think this is given out much in busy times like present. However I believe after 2 or 3 years bidding unsuccessfully for aspirational part time they must give you 87.5% contract.

Other way in is Right to Request which is assessed on a case by case basis.

hi so realistically wouldnt be able to get a part time contract for a few years after joining? Is full time junior 787 FO commutable or too many trips a month?

yanny 4th September 2024 16:16

Aspirational PT, unlikely. Haven’t seen them awarded in quite some time. They are effectively 2 months on/1 month off or 1 month on/1 month off.

Right to request part time (75% and 50%) there is always a chance, especially as we seem a bit overcrewed on the 787 at the moment.

RexBanner 4th September 2024 18:51

RTR they kind of have to accept nowadays. Maybe not on the first attempt but they’re on shaky ground continuing to refuse as it’s all enshrined in employment law, hence the name Right to Request. Dont need to demonstrate a “valid reason” legally anymore, whereas in the past you needed to demonstrate a reason ie childcare, sick relatives etc. We’re seeing more and more of it nowadays, especially in the LHS of the 787 anecdotally and it’s the major contributor to the reason that LH commands are pushing down towards 2000 on the MSL. That and the workload at the bottom, which also contributes to the part time requests!

Kibathepilot 6th September 2024 16:34

What sort of routes would a junior FO get on the 777 vs 787 initially? Can see all the routes they fly but not sure which would be junior or senior?

Acerodon 10th September 2024 13:32

Does anyone know if there is any guidance/assistance from BA at all with regards to license conversion for EASA pilots?
Considering they sponsor residency for EASA licence holders with 1500hrs.

CaptainPilot2024 10th September 2024 18:09

Hello,

Can anybody please provide feedback on the Navigation altitude related questions of the BA Crew Capacity Eagle test?
An example question for instance? What type of math is involved?

Thank you in advance.

Kennytheking 11th September 2024 09:31


Originally Posted by Acerodon (Post 11731994)
Does anyone know if there is any guidance/assistance from BA at all with regards to license conversion for EASA pilots?
Considering they sponsor residency for EASA licence holders with 1500hrs.

No that is not quite correct.

They will consider your application IF you have an EASA license but you will have to convert it to a UK license BEFORE you start. This is something that you will have to take up with the UK CAA and the requirements are on CAA website. The term "convert" is a somewhat liberal term, as you have to write all 13 ATPL subjects, get an initial medical and do a skills test on a UK CAA approved simulator.

They are also not sponsoring residency for EASA holders - what they will do is sponsor a Skilled Work Visa(and associated residency) for jobs that have a salary of > aprox 72k GBP. That is currently only DEC positions at Euroflyer & CityFlyer. I am lead to believe that next years' salary increment at BA will allow F/O's to meet this requrement.

halbeir 12th September 2024 12:15

I’m not sure BA are aware of the number of EASA licence holders with right to work in the UK who would happily apply if the UK CAA’s conversion process wasn’t so convoluted and costly.

122.85 12th September 2024 12:39


Originally Posted by halbeir (Post 11733234)
I’m not sure BA are aware of the number of EASA licence holders with right to work in the UK who would happily apply if the UK CAA’s conversion process wasn’t so convoluted and costly.

It’s not a BA issue it’s the CAA that need to change its rules on conversion.


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