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A320LGW 26th November 2023 20:26

It says there are short haul opportunities for those with <1500hrs (non A320) at both Heathrow and Gatwick. When you go to apply though, the only short haul option appears to be for Euroflier at Gatwick. Are they hiring <1500hrs for short haul at Heathrow? I've got ~1000hrs CS-25, non A320

beamer 27th November 2023 07:59

Take a look at the lifestyle ,roster patterns and commuting before jumping in with both feet. There are viable alternatives to BA even if they don’t pay as much.

Potatos_69 28th November 2023 06:53

I believe, although I may be incorrect. If you don't have a full ATPL then you wont get a long haul fleet assigned. You need the ATPL for long-haul as BA doesn't use 2nd officers.

The Foss 28th November 2023 08:29


Originally Posted by Potatos_69 (Post 11547204)
I believe, although I may be incorrect. If you don't have a full ATPL then you wont get a long haul fleet assigned. You need the ATPL for long-haul as BA doesn't use 2nd officers.

Pretty much correct. You don’t actually need the ATPL as long as you have the hours for it, as you can then do the skills test during the type rating.

Gurpreet_ 28th November 2023 15:49

Hello all,
Could anyone please DM their experience from start to finish?
Any info on the interview, capacity test and sim session would be greatly appreciated!

cloudserfer8875 29th November 2023 16:10

Hi , I have an assessment with BA coming up , could i get the same dm please. Thanks

Keja01 3rd December 2023 09:45

Hi guys, does anyone know the process as an EASA licence holder, does it make sense to convert the licence and try the selection with BA?

Phantom4 3rd December 2023 19:58

Am hearing that a number of 320 First Officers en masse have recently resigned and are joining EasyJet citing the brutal BA training departments conduct

Raph737 3rd December 2023 20:06


Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 11550718)
Am hearing that a number of 320 First Officers en masse have recently resigned and are joining EasyJet citing the brutal BA training departments conduct

Elaborate please?

ycank 4th December 2023 07:09

Hi, I am going to purchase SkyTest for capacity test. Which modules will be on the actual test? I couldn't book for the test so I do not have any official information ( I assume, once I booked I will get official information about test). Could anyone briefly explain test modules, please?

Phantom4 4th December 2023 07:15


Originally Posted by Raph737 (Post 11550721)
Elaborate please?

it seems that EU Flyer attrition running at a very high level as is Long Haul to 320.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.

A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.

Raph737 4th December 2023 14:15


Originally Posted by Phantom4 (Post 11550896)
it seems that EU Flyer attrition running at a very high level as is Long Haul to 320.
Both FTM and his Deputy are LTS,long term sick.
320 Trainers have been invited to observe how 777 fleet conducts sim details.

A very sad state of affairs and some very angry people who do not become bad operators overnight.

Well, I heard that there are a lot of people who should have left a long time ago and make the work environment for others miserable. Also the lovely nickname the A380 fleet got( the w*anker tanker) due to how pilots treat the cabin crew.

Now the idea of mass resignations due to CRM issues, I will take it with a pinch of salt.
I’m aware of a few things that shouldn’t be happening, but that’s a byproduct of a recruitment profile that doesn’t suit our time and age. I believe that there are attempts to change that.



Potatos_69 4th December 2023 15:56

It wouldn’t surprise me if euroflyer is having retention issues, it is after all the worst 320 conditions in the country.

However mainline doesn’t seem to have dried up recruitment wise yet 🤷🏻‍♂️

thetimesreader84 4th December 2023 17:02

I don't know about other fleets but on the 320 there are a few trainers that have a bad rep. Personally having flown with a couple of the "names" I've never had a problem with them, but they are probably names for a reason.

There's also the issue of the "games" that are played on the command course - there's what OM D says ("a notice level FO lacking in initiative") and what some trainers allegedly interpret that to mean. ASRs have been put in and reports sent to the CAA (via CHIRP) but i think most are just so relieved to be through the course they put it behind them & move on. This info is anecdotal, I've not seen it first hand.

I've not heard of big numbers of resignations, or trainers being managed though.

Plastic787 5th December 2023 12:42

Before I left the fleet there were a couple of Training FO appointments that almost universally raised eyebrows amongst the captains I flew with. Don't tell me they’re making trouble already.

hunterboy 5th December 2023 14:22

I’m afraid it is like that on most fleets. The idea of going into training in BA horrifies most pilots and so they get a certain type that seem to apply.

Phantom4 5th December 2023 14:56


Originally Posted by Plastic787 (Post 11551770)
Before I left the fleet there were a couple of Training FO appointments that almost universally raised eyebrows amongst the captains I flew with. Don't tell me they’re making trouble already.

Recently,one Command exercise left the trainee so distraught he crashed the car on the way home,so I’m told.
I thought those days were long gone.

Northern Monkey 5th December 2023 16:09


Originally Posted by hunterboy (Post 11551802)
I’m afraid it is like that on most fleets. The idea of going into training in BA horrifies most pilots and so they get a certain type that seem to apply.

This doesn’t remotely describe my interactions with the training department over the last 15 years. If anything I think the training has got much better, with less emphasis on checking and more on training.

There will always be a few bad eggs on every fleet, but that isn’t just limited to trainers.


thetimesreader84 5th December 2023 16:28


Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 11551858)
This doesn’t remotely describe my interactions with the training department over the last 15 years. If anything I think the training has got much better, with less emphasis on checking and more on training.

There will always be a few bad eggs on every fleet, but that isn’t just limited to trainers.


This is broadly my experience, even having been in the sim or on the line with those who have a rep as a "bad egg".

the only note of caution is some of the stories ive heard from those who've done a SH command course recently, some of the games the trainers play while being a "notice level FO lacking initiative" sound horrendous, and have very little to do with training IMHO.

RetiredBA/BY 5th December 2023 18:30

Well, after experiencing a real “ arrival “ at LHR yesterday morning, 777 ex BGI, some sharper training seems necessary !

Why don't some of these “ names etc. “ get the fact that trainers are there to get their candidates to the highest possible level. That is what they are paid to do , not intimidate and try an humiliate people. Totally counterproductive for them and the company.
As an ex RAF standards QFI and training captain I just don’t understand their attitude. I considered that the results and standards of my candidates was a reflection on my training capability and commitment..I wanted my guys, and girls, to a achieve the very best they were capable of.
Bad eggs should have NO place in a well run training establishment.


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