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Originally Posted by Above80kts
(Post 11856731)
CU is a lottery, goalposts changed in the last year or 2, now need all 4's or above in sims leading up to getting approved to join the program. Problem with that is some TRE's seldom give 4's, others give them liberally, standardisation is not their strong point so sim grading is down to the TRE on the day. One may be forgiving of a minor faux par, another might mark you down for it and you only need 1 x 3 to throw a spanner in the works.
That said, if you were in the RAF, then you're in. Once in the program you will see just how unstandardised the process is, some guys getting very simple issues on their command assessment sims, others getting fully loaded and set up to fail. Ultimately if your BTRE & PBM like you then you should be alright and they can overrule a 3 in order to move you on. If not or you are unsure where you stand with them then it will be made abundantly clear by how difficult it is made for you. There are some things in Jet2 that are good. The command upgrade process is not one of them. It did recently change, but you don’t need 4s on your sim reports. They are taken as a whole, with your other reports and with input from the BTRE and PBM to get an overall picture of the candidate. |
Sounds like someone failed and is now all huffy and bitter.
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Nope - thankfully I haven't fallen foul of this.
However, just because it didn't happen to you or I doesn't mean it's not happening. Like I said, if you're liked by your base management you'll be fine. If you've been brave enough to speak up about anything or don't quite fit the J2 mould then forget it. |
No , that's just not true.
Perhaps if you're a bit of a dick then you won't get a look in, which is fair enough, but on the whole there's a broad range of people who have, even recently, passed the command upgrade and none of them, certainly at my base, are particularly "Jet2" or yes men. |
Originally Posted by Above80kts
(Post 11861406)
Nope - thankfully I haven't fallen foul of this.
However, just because it didn't happen to you or I doesn't mean it's not happening. Like I said, if you're liked by your base management you'll be fine. If you've been brave enough to speak up about anything or don't quite fit the J2 mould then forget it. If speaking out in a particular way suggests you may display poor leadership and teamwork skills as a commander, then it’s probably a good thing to pause somebody’s progress, no!? |
I have always heard this from people within Jet2 how the command upgrade lacks standardisation. Shame really as it would be a good airline for those who want to be home most nights.
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I have a current wide body Boeing rating, my 737 has lapsed but still within 3 years so would only need a few Sims, a check and apply to CAA. Should I apply to the non type rated position or type rated? Or is there any difference apart from two piles next to each other?
Also would this be seen as a obstacle for their training department? As in should I go and renew my 737 at an ATO myself or is that overboard? |
Originally Posted by flyerflyer1
(Post 11863741)
I have a current wide body Boeing rating, my 737 has lapsed but still within 3 years so would only need a few Sims, a check and apply to CAA. Should I apply to the non type rated position or type rated? Or is there any difference apart from two piles next to each other?
Also would this be seen as a obstacle for their training department? As in should I go and renew my 737 at an ATO myself or is that overboard? |
I echo the above. Apply as type rated. You are just expired, and as it’s less than three years, the OCC should more than satisfy the recency requirements for your type rating renewal.
Good luck! |
Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
(Post 11864263)
I echo the above. Apply as type rated. You are just expired, and as it’s less than three years, the OCC should more than satisfy the recency requirements for your type rating renewal.
Good luck! |
Thanks for that. I'll get in contact.
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Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 11861602)
What issues are you referring to that people have been ‘brave enough’ to speak up about? I’ve voiced my opinion on any issues during my time here in a professional manner and have never been held back in anything.
If speaking out in a particular way suggests you may display poor leadership and teamwork skills as a commander, then it’s probably a good thing to pause somebody’s progress, no!? |
Originally Posted by Flying Wild
(Post 11865307)
Voiced your opinion as an FO or Capt? Because the majority of FOs I fly with wouldn't want to stick their heads above the parapet until they've secured a command.
However, I think you're right that many FOs won't want to stick their head above the parapet approaching command. But this is the case in every airline I've worked for. The job market is good for pilots at the moment, so there's nothing to stop anyone seeing if the grass really is greener on the other side. |
Heya,
Anyone have done the j2 assessment for direct entry A320 FO recently.... For A320 rated guys, whats the waiting time in the holding pool, did you get a job offer and course start date in early 2026.... any advice would be highly appreciated. Best Regards, |
Hi,
I’m not sure if this helps but a lot of non-TR people have got in recently without any sort of hold pool so I shouldn’t imagine you’ll have to wait long at all. |
As far as I know, Glasgow Airbus courses got cancelled....looks like London base(s) are geting more airbus.
I have done the assessment in Sept. Beginning of Nov, I got a phone call, told passed the assessment, no update since. Hopefully some update in Jan/Feb 2026. |
Originally Posted by dt354nds
(Post 12001854)
Thanks.
Looks like Glasgow Airbus courses got cancelled. Because 3 Airbus destined for GLA are now being used for the new LGW base. |
Any FO meeting the required hours for command could probably get a quick transition to the left seat at LGW, I imagine. That is of course, unless the Ts and Cs change enough to attract Airbus captains from EZY and WIZZ. Interesting to see how that pans out over the next few months.
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I’d imagine a few Wizz people would be interested. Hard to see any ezy folk giving up a fixed roster, decent salary etc. and strong collective bargaining to move to J2.
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I'd imagine a few are now considering going the other way (to EZY). More specifically those J2 GLA based Airbus Pilots who are now facing a whole year out of base.
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Don't forget 3year on type bond and 4 months notice period.
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Is that for NTR, what are the bond agreements if any for TR Airbus pilots just doing an OCC?
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Originally Posted by jkl
(Post 12004025)
Is that for NTR, what are the bond agreements if any for TR Airbus pilots just doing an OCC?
Everyone gets bonded at J2, even TR DEC! £12k for that pleasure! Bond reduces each month over 24 months, a year after final line check, effectively making it a 3 year bond. 4 months notice period to leave… they make it painful and expensive. |
For clarity, it's actually 3 full calendar months notice period. At least that's what my contract says. So if you hand in your notice on the 1st of the month then you will need to work the rest of that month and then 3 more calendar months. However, if you're slightly intelligent, then hand in your notice on the last day of the month.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
(Post 12004097)
For clarity, it's actually 3 full calendar months notice period. At least that's what my contract says. So if you hand in your notice on the 1st of the month then you will need to work the rest of that month and then 3 more calendar months. However, if you're slightly intelligent, then hand in your notice on the last day of the month.
Depends on your contract. Newer contracts, within last 2/3 years approximately, state 4 months notice period. |
Thanks; surprised by this a little, just for an OCC course. What about notice period in probation? Does that last 6 months?
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Originally Posted by jkl
(Post 12004113)
Thanks; surprised by this a little, just for an OCC course. What about notice period in probation? Does that last 6 months?
Probation is 6 months, which can be extended by 3 months in extreme cases. Notice period during probation for J2 is 1 week, and for you, guess what.. still 4 months! Smacks of desperation and not very classy IMHO. Still, it’s their train set, and if you sign the contract, you agree to their terms. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
(Post 12004126)
Yeah, it’s rubbish, and a bloody cheek to be honest! I guess when you’re joining a new airline, you’re not really thinking too much about the leaving side!
Probation is 6 months, which can be extended by 3 months in extreme cases. Notice period during probation for J2 is 1 week, and for you, guess what.. still 4 months! Smacks of desperation and not very classy IMHO. Still, it’s their train set, and if you sign the contract, you agree to their terms. Good luck! |
4 months notice pretty standard now for pilots, not just Jet2.
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No it isn't.
Nor is bonding type rated recruits. |
What is the bond for experienced, non-rated on the A320?
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sent you a PM maxed out
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
(Post 12004928)
No it isn't.
Nor is bonding type rated recruits. |
Thank you skianyn vannin.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
(Post 12005632)
Want a job? Sign the contract. Don't? Then don't. Easy.
Curious how some airlines have to introduce bonds / protracted notice periods meanwhile others don't feel the need. I wonder what's different? |
Actually quite the contrary to Dickensian seeing as you clearly have a choice about where you work and who you work for.
But your faux outrage is noted. |
Which airlines don’t have bonds these days? I only ever knew of BA, but I’m not sure if this is still the case?
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Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 12006929)
Which airlines don’t have bonds these days? I only ever knew of BA, but I’m not sure if this is still the case?
Off the top of my head, and I hope I’m not getting it wrong - Lufthansa / KLM / Air France / Aer Lingus / BA / Virgin. |
Originally Posted by clvf88
(Post 12006955)
The best ones - which is why they don’t have to!
Off the top of my head, and I hope I’m not getting it wrong - Lufthansa / KLM / Air France / Aer Lingus / BA / Virgin. So nothing has really changed since the old days. Looks like it's just the flag carrier of your own country if you want to avoid a bond, and the trade-off is to accept a bond if you want a more flexible job with a quicker command. For me personally I've never wanted a job in the flag carrier of the UK, just because of the command time and the requirement of a London-basing for short-haul. |
Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat
(Post 12006982)
Not sure about Virgin. I thought they bonded these days.
So nothing has really changed since the old days. Looks like it's just the flag carrier of your own country if you want to avoid a bond, and the trade-off is to accept a bond if you want a more flexible job with a quicker command. For me personally I've never wanted a job in the flag carrier of the UK, just because of the command time and the requirement of a London-basing for short-haul. Maybe I'm over simplying it. But in my head, if an airlines got an issue with pilot retention, they have to bond people to protect themselves. However, if you offer the best T's and C's, so fewer people leave there is no need to bond. |
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