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an issue with pilot retention, they have to bond people to themselves. |
Bit strange to make a career decision based on an online name but ok, see ya. :ok:
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
(Post 12007010)
It's one thing to bond in exchange for providing a type rating (which seems entirely reasonable to me, and is very common), and quite another to bond pilots who come through the door already holding the rating, (and to then demand a 4 month notice period). In Europe, that's extremely unusual to the extent, it betrays an intent to restrict the pilots freedom, and thank you Morgan, that s plenty enough of a red flag to stay away.
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
(Post 12004097)
For clarity, it's actually 3 full calendar months notice period. At least that's what my contract says. So if you hand in your notice on the 1st of the month then you will need to work the rest of that month and then 3 more calendar months. However, if you're slightly intelligent, then hand in your notice on the last day of the month.
If you are on "3 full calendar months notice period" and you wanted your last day of work to be 10th April, you would hand in your notice on (or by) 10th January. That is how it worked every time I did so. Oxford Dictionary of English: calendar month a period of time between the same dates on successive calendar months. |
Originally Posted by Mr Albert Ross
(Post 12009332)
Do you actually believe that?
If you are on "3 full calendar months notice period" and you wanted your last day of work to be 10th April, you would hand in your notice on (or by) 10th January. That is how it worked every time I did so. Oxford Dictionary of English: calendar month a period of time between the same dates on successive calendar months. |
Happy New Year, Just wondering if anyone start J2 airbus OCC/TR in March 2026 or later of the year.... would you be able to drop me a direct message. Many thanks.
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Hi all!
Please does anyone have any feedback for the teams interview with Jet2? Thank you. |
Originally Posted by 737 Jockey
(Post 12004050)
Everyone gets bonded at J2, even TR DEC! £12k for that pleasure! Bond reduces each month over 24 months, a year after final line check, effectively making it a 3 year bond. 4 months notice period to leave… they make it painful and expensive.
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I’d imagine the same as above. That was joining less than 3 years ago. Attrition continues mainly from the RHS, but some LHS, and so with their expansion plans, I’d imagine they will continue to make it as painful as possible to leave within 3 years of joining.
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Anyone done the sim assessment for NTR SFO recently on the 737 care to share some info pls or pm? Thanks
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clvf88 : absolutely true. Unfortunately as far as J2 are concerned they will never offer anything near the best Ts and Cs until the majority of their pilots stop saying “I won’t pay BALPA 1% of my salary until they do something for me” instead of understanding that “enough of us have to join before BALPA can do what we want”.
they still hate BALPA with the fervour of 19th century Yorkshire mill owners being told they can’t send five year olds up the chimney any more. Don’t expect any quick changes, unless people are prepared to make some sacrifice for it. |
they still hate BALPA As far as J2 terms/conditions - have to say - for me - they're pretty damn good on comparison. No company is ever going to be perfect (it's a business after all!), yes one or two 'niggles' - but eh, SFO and c. £100k a year plus benefits - that alone compares very favourably in the U.K. market currently does it not? |
Originally Posted by First.officer
(Post 12077628)
Well, in my experience and when I needed them back in 2011 for a simple Compromise Agreement witnessing (as a legal entity and as required in law, U.K.) - BALPA's best advice was "that I needed a Solicitor". Genius. IPA - equally useless. Just my personal opinion, your experience may differ.
As far as J2 terms/conditions - have to say - for me - they're pretty damn good on comparison. No company is ever going to be perfect (it's a business after all!), yes one or two 'niggles' - but eh, SFO and c. £100k a year plus benefits - that alone compares very favourably in the U.K. market currently does it not? |
Just checking. Have you ever paid more in Balpa subs than they've achieved in pay rises over several years?
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Hi, I was employed in an airline with a strong BALPA presence and I can certainly say I was paid considerably more thanks to their efforts than the subs ever cost me. I also enjoyed better working conditions. Remember also that two thirds of the subs can be offset against tax.
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Chesty Morgan, why do you think that they haven’t achieved anything in pay negotiations ? I would guess that it’s because the membership is low and Jet2 are aware of that. If you’re happy to have a scheduling agreement that the company can ignore whenever it wants, to be given below RPI pay rises then that’s fine. Without a strong membership BALPA can’t achieve anything. Industrial action is any union’s “nuclear deterrent” no one want’s to use it but everyone knows it’s there in the background. But it only exists if there is a high enough percentage of members to make it effective. It’s all very well to say BALPA don’t achieve anything at Jet2 so I’m not going to join, but any union can only ever be as strong as its membership.
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Originally Posted by excrab
(Post 12077862)
Chesty Morgan, why do you think that they haven’t achieved anything in pay negotiations ? I would guess that it’s because the membership is low and Jet2 are aware of that. If you’re happy to have a scheduling agreement that the company can ignore whenever it wants, to be given below RPI pay rises then that’s fine. Without a strong membership BALPA can’t achieve anything. Industrial action is any union’s “nuclear deterrent” no one want’s to use it but everyone knows it’s there in the background. But it only exists if there is a high enough percentage of members to make it effective. It’s all very well to say BALPA don’t achieve anything at Jet2 so I’m not going to join, but any union can only ever be as strong as its membership.
I wasn't talking about Balpa at Jet2. The airline is irrelevant. However, it was an airline with large Balpa membership and the cost of that membership far outweighed the 3 years of pay "rise" they managed to "negotiate". Just pointing it out to balance the fawning sycophancy of Balpa around here. The best pay rise Balpa achieved in my 15 years of membership was when they failed to renew my membership through total incompetence. It may also surprise you to find out that the Balpa negotiated scheduling agreement at a previous airline included the option for the company to suspended said scheduling agreement if and when they needed to. I imagine there is a similar clause in all scheduling agreements. |
Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan
(Post 12077796)
Just checking. Have you ever paid more in Balpa subs than they've achieved in pay rises over several years?
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Just checking, have you worked for anybody else or perhaps experienced the stabilising impact of a Scheduling Agreement? It’s all very well to say BALPA don’t achieve anything at Jet2 so I’m not going to join, but any union can only ever be as strong as its membership. |
Originally Posted by First.officer
(Post 12077876)
Yes, worked for four different employers plus a stint of private/freelance over the years - I'm sure in some airlines BALPA etc. has proven effective, just they've been absent in my examples hence from personal experience, I don't rate them (unions) worthy of subscription.
I'd say that's likely quite true. Let BALPA show themselves to be as good as they purport. Here is an idea - if they're serious, how about say BALPA offering up membership for say a 6-12month period gratis, FOC ..... you become a member, you can't access any member benefits for that period but it allows the magic 70%(?) membership 'threshold' to be reached that allows them to become a serious and credible 'voice' in negotiating for their members, the desired (or as near as dammit) results. After positive outcomes from this, you could then say a back-dated set of subs is due by members taking advantage of the proposed 6-12 month gratis/FOC period given, to BALPA. Proves whether they are worth it, or not. Sound fair?. |
Sounds implausible. |
Waiting time after Sim Assessment
Hi all,
Just looking for a bit of insight from anyone who’s been through the Jet2 pilot recruitment process. I completed a simulator assessment recently and haven’t heard anything back yet. For those who’ve been through it, how long did it typically take to receive an outcome? Appreciate any experiences you can share. Thanks |
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