Direct Bondi

Stop hijacking threads and set up your own 'rant thread' about Norwegian. This thread is about "Lack of Pilots' not "Let's Deride Norwegian." It is also in the 'Terms and Endearment' section which means most of us are looking for some helpful information about progressing in the aviation industry not incessant criticism or abuse!

You clearly have been shafted by someone in NOR and have an axe to grind as well as having far too much time on your hands to invest in such a low-level subversive operation as this.

I, frankly, am very bored with your highly well considered and well-prepared information and suggest you retrain to be a litigation lawyer.

Your drivel will not stop me considering a career with NOR because I talk to the individuals who already work for them and base my decision on their testimony. Some of them appear to be very happy, some have a few issue.....just like all pilots I know with EK, EY, BA, RYN etc etc

Give your keyboard a rest fella!

We all should report him to the moderators and get this Direct Bondi banned from posting, it's not only repetitive but also quite irritating.

Direct Bondi you obviously have done something very bad in Norwegian, this is mentioned in previous posts, either give it a rest or try and move on, maybe write to Norwegian and apologise for your conduct and try and make amends and move on.

If any folks are tired of reading DBs posts, all you have to do is put him on your ignore list, and you will never see his text/comments again unless you choose to. So, as a very interested onlooker/browser, I cannot understand the vitriolic comments/personal abuse sent DBs way.

I am afraid you can't just get someone banned from a public forum because their posts irritate you! Until Bondi posts something slanderless or illegal I am afraid he has as much right to Air his views as anyone else, no matter how irritating or no mater what his history with Norwegian maybe.

Yet another round of half arsed Bondi attacks with the only basis for them being that some are bored of reading his posts. If you don't like them don't read them. If you disagree with the points he makes say so and why. If you think third party employment is a good idea and good for the industry or pilots careers then fine. Just say so.

I am really surprised about the amount of negativity directly led to DirectBondi: I used some of the informations provided by him and published on this forum and could not be more greatful. My old lawyer (a totally clueless guy) managed to win my labour case partially thx to the informations found on pprune on Norwegian...

By the way: if anybody think that been fired is proof of misconduct, you don't belong in this business

Just wondering why there is no chances to get BCN base? Everybody want it? Big spanish community?
I'm considering applying as DEC 787 but with the view of being based in BCN or MAD if it ever open in the future.
Can anybody share some light on this?
Also, how is the interview process?

Thank you

First; thank you for the posted and thousands of private messages of support.

The above highlighted quote is an example of how little some know of their employment contract and employment contracts in general. The self-declared ignorance of these chumps also questions their reasoning ability and by association, their command competence - if they are even flying.

Employment contracts permit instant dismissal without notice for misconduct. In such circumstances an individual would not be provided an LPC nor allowed to continue to fly the airline’s passengers up to the last day of any notice period.

The fact that some are resorting to such inventive and desperate responses, corroborates that no legitimate response is available to answer the abuses permitted by Norwegian’s complex and novel labor scheme. However, I do accept the scheme provides a source of income and aircraft rating currency until an opportunity to be employed by an airline arises.

There is a reason a respected newspaper in Norway, Dagens Naerlingsliv, DN, has referred to the Norwegian regime as:

“Kjos aircraft and Spinning Mill Ltd.” – “The boss and spin doctor”

http://www.dn.no/meninger/2016/07/08...g-spinneri-ltd

next…..(or not)

Thank you for your 'life energy' analysis. I almost choked on my tofu and celery smoothie in amusement.
There’s a tree in Crawley town centre that requires your attention.

Interesting article in today's Times about Norwegian. Looks like the CFO has left under a cloud and the last quarter results went down very badly.
Interesting times, have they bitten off more than they can chew?

The magic money tree will come to the rescue.

I really don't think Bondi is going to desist in his half-arsed mission to dissuade anyone from joining Norwegian. He's clearly an articulate but embittered individual with a fair bit of spare time which he has decided to devote to his mission. What else would he do that could provide such a sense of achievement? Perhaps he is not getting enough satisfaction from whatever his current employment might be.

Then again, perhaps I am doing him a disservice. Maybe he is a thoroughly altruistic person and is doing us all a great favour by repeatedly giving us the benefit of his unique insight. His 'thousands' (???) of messages of support would back up that view.

Either way, you can be fairly certain that any and all threads related to Norwegian will continue to be derailed and genuine requests for information will be 'answered' with his pompous, patronising and long-winded rhetoric. Perhaps he could do us all a favour and just become a politician.

It doesn't take any level of rocket science to realise that Norwegian's package is very poor no matter what way you dress it up. They charge a fortune for a 787 rating and pay well below the going rate for captains..even when compared to LCCs. The rostering also looks grim and the level of contentment can probably be measured by the exodus to VS every time the opportunity arises. The only attraction is the 787 - and that novelety will wear off in months. It appears to be supported by sand-pit retirees willing to prostitute themselves back home. If this really isn't the case please enlighten us?

Is Norwegian here in 5 years?
 

There is many reasons why Norwegian is short of pilots.
I would go there if they wanted me and I got the base I prefer.
At least I dont have to by my own coffee and uniform!

Norwegian not being able to hire and train sufficient pilots , second year in a row is just pure stupidity.

The pay is for some of us not good enough , and here we are at the core problem:
Norwegian can not afford to pay what they do , never mind more.

Why? They had to sell a stack of Norwegian Bank stocks so as not to default on their loans.
The seat kilometer cost went up and are now way higher then any other loco.
The Director of Finance Mr Foss walked out the door with no notice one day.
So, promptly the stocks dropped 25% over 5 days!!
They are a buisness and are not making a profit.

I hope Norwegian makes it and start treating and paying Pilots better.
But,like all low cost startups it is a Ponzi sceam and some time it works and some times it dont.

Then there is the bet in Norwegian press that OLeary shall snap them up.
( Sorry , could not help myself.)

The airline had a debt to equity ratio of 0.1 ten years ago. This has increased to 9.6 in recent years.

I cant find any other airline with a debt equity ratio higher than 1. Average seems 0.6, Jet2 is 0.04!! Debt has to be serviced.

I have to say Norwegian reminds me of the original Air Europe in the late 80s.

Is there demand though? Anytime I've compared them to others across the Atlantic they've been anything but cheap. Their premium product of usually dearer than VS and I'm pretty sure it's not better.

NAS lease all of the aircraft and have an astonishing amount of debt , Monarch with there new Boeings have bought them cash in hand and will be leasing them back (have no idea how this works) which releases huge amounts of cash , it's what Ryanair do .
Supposedly they will be starting LH in around 2 years as well

Thomas Cook will inevitably go through a Ts & Cs mill very soon , heard that the main company are not really interested in the airline itself

Not sure how Monarch have ended up with 45 new 737 Max either but at $5bn it was not cash in hand.

Mafia money , greybull and the mantagezzas are best mates . A nice little money laundering behind the scenes I'm sure !
Company should have gone bust years ago
Been around since 1967 I think

Snapper where do you get the rubbish that you post?

How is it rubbish ? Makes sense unless you can think of another reason ......

Monarch are buying their 737s through a "sale lease back scheme". This where the airline negotiates the aircraft price but a third party actually buys them (in this case Boeings Air Lease Corporation) and the Airline then leases them back, so Monarch will be paying no money up front for these planes! This is how 90% of all Airlines buy their aircraft party because it totally removes the Aircraft debt from the balance sheet, which would be vital to an asset poor company like Monarch.

The link between Greybull and Montegazza is very tenuous, lots of rumours but no proven link between them. Greybull are a perfectly legitimate investment company and Monarch a viable business (the days of money laundering are long gone)!

Norwegian has welcomed news that our British subsidiary ‘Norwegian UK’ (NUK) was last night given tentative approval by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) for a foreign air carrier permit.

The NUK subsidiary was set up in November 2015 to allow us to build on our growing UK operation by accessing bilateral traffic rights to a series of global markets – NUK has already announced plans for new flights from London Gatwick to Singapore, starting in September and Argentina starting in February 2018.

We will now be pushing for the US DOT to finalise the permit which will also allow our NUK subsidiary to operate low-cost flights between the U.S. and Europe.

Once final approval is received from the US authorities, Norwegian UK will be able to establish a seamless operation and more effectively utilise its long-haul fleet – this includes the use of the same aircraft on all long-haul routes including the U.S., Singapore, Argentina and other future long-haul markets.

I note from the DOT Order To Show Cause, the UK government supports the NA UK permit application. I would expect that support to be totally impartial. However;

“...300,000 central government employees from 18 departments benefit from reduced fares on all Norwegian flights…”

https://buyingbusinesstravel.com/new...avel-programme

Norwegian’s lack of pilots continues, with eight more cancelled flights last Thursday;

Rotete dag og kveld for Norwegian - Norwegian Air Shuttle - Næringsliv - E24

Unfortunately, on Sunday, Norwegian also suffered a third 787 in flight engine shutdown in as many months;

Incident: Norwegian B788 over Greenland on Jul 16th 2017, engine shut down in flight

With no immediate cure for malignant pilot shortages, a long-standing CFO abruptly leaving, reoccurring labor troubles, increasing costs, grave company debts, plunging stock price, more passengers choosing more frequency carriers with included extras – all means at least one old Norwegian bear is :mad: in the woods.

Yeah sounds wonderful..... am I missing something ?

Snapper, you are not missing anything. Your previous offerings also have some merit.Those of us from the long missed era will recall how difficult it was to conclude who actually owned Monarch. Mate of mine with job offers from everyone as he sought to escape the dreadful BOAC/BEA merger, checked out each potential employer at a place called Companies House. Stuck on the Monarch microfiche ( I think that's what it was called in those days ), Assistant politely asked him if he was trying to find out who owned Monarch. His bleak "well, yes" was responded with the fact that nobody, actually, knew. However, whenever the company needed shed loads of money, a big fat cheque would appear from some gnome in Switzerland.


I tend to side with you Snapper. Far from rubbish.


Oh, my mate decided on Laker but they went bust. He went to Air Europe but they went bust. Had he gone to Monarch on the B720 (yes, 7 2 0 !!!) , He would have enjoyed a long, unbroken, happy career .

Discounted travel for Government employees is a very common practice, not unique and its about time it came to the UK in a noticeable form, maybe stop Ministers cruising around on BA and private jets at the tax payers expense. NAS do not have shortage of pilot applications just a shortage of training capacity, as do Qatar. Good news for UK aviation. As for the contract terms are concerned there is a tendency for an elitist attitude and we must accept the whole industry is changing, the most we can expect is respect from ground staff and cabin crew, management just view us as a resource which they have to tolerate ,provided the pay cheque arrives on time its all much the same.. and unions? in 23 years they have proved useless, worse than useless and expensive, state employment laws need to be changed, but with us Brexiting I guess thats a pipe dream

try tell that to AF,LH,EZY,KLM,BA, all American airlines...

Without union you become a seafarer...enjoy

ACMI/Wet Lease all the time
 

Recently saw the aircraft LY-MGC (Boeing 737-4Y0) owned by GetJet Airlines, operating several flights under NorTrans callsign in GCLP.

Not enough pilots for the aircrafts they have and less to come.
Big debts, but still leasing, when they could simply hire more people.

Same is happening in my airline as well, not enough people but we can still operate.

260 aircraft on order, need to crew them somehow, and they are not the only airline in the market..

Agreed about the summer peak season.

But pilots are flying max hours (896 a friend of mine did the last year).
Few friends working for Norwegian gets email each day asking them to sell their days off to cover roster.

Plus paying 4 times more for a day off ?

And as far as I know nobody has been layed off last winter (2016/17), please correct me if I am wrong.

Cabin crew for LH in BCN just received an e-mail today saying that they need to take 1 month of unpaid leave in the winter... Lets see now if pilots get the same spam...

DN newsaper reports that Norwegian’s wet leases have cost 1.2 billion kroner in three and half years. The most recent is the aircraft used for Hillary Clinton’s former campaign, operated by Xtra Airways based in Coral Gables, Florida. It arrived last Saturday.

“On board the plane were 30 pilots and cabin crew from the American airline. From 1 August, it will fly for Norwegian to cover the lack of aircraft and pilots” – Link:

https://www.dn.no/nyheter/2017/08/01...ns-kampanjefly

Hopefully, a second aircraft with 30 competent managers on board will arrive very soon.

Variety of reasons for the wet leases, some proactively booked in the Autumn to cover the change from NAS to NAI at CPH, some to cover peak Summer production and allow (some ) to have summer leave..

Reactive leasing to cover late delivery of aircraft (capacity) some to cover training bottle necks due to additional training requirements for ETOPS required by the IAA on 737 LH

The dreamer liner deliveries are also running a little late requiring additional wet lease.

Yes it cost a fortune, but much of it should be one off costs and next year is planned slower growth, this year was colossal at around 32 narrow body and 12 wide body

737 Atlantic operations seem to be settling down.

Rose tinted glasses come to mind! The money has got to come from somewhere and it is not a bottomless pit.

Wet lease costs have also increased due to Norwegian’s unfortunate spate of 787 in flight engine shutdowns – 4 in three months:-

http://avherald.com/h?search_term=No...11&search.y=21

Norwegian needs to become a well-oiled machine to fulfill its ambitious expansion plans.

A wet leased N registered 737 arriving in Oslo with 30 American pilots to address pilot shortages should cause a union response, both to inept management planning and if those pilots might also crew Norwegian’s aircraft within Europe. For those applying; information on the Schengen Work Visa process for US citizens:

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/working-schengen-visa/

Funny that they are shutting engines down due to OIL quantity, they might have the GE engines.

On the RR engines that we use there is no checklist for OIL quantity low and the fcom clearly states, OIL quantity alone is not a reason to shutdown the engine. There are air pressure bearings that work just as well without OIL.

Trust me. Rollers are having a world of trouble with OIL. Just ask your engineers how they're coming along with a recently issued AD or search AV herald for 2 very recent in flight shutdowns.

I think that under Norwegian law all employers must grant leave during what passes for summer in Norway.

All I'm saying is, you don't shut down an engine for lack of oil (not the trent 1000 on the 787 anyway)

No What you're saying is BA's QRH doesn't tell you to shut down a Trent 1000 for lack of oil. Doesn't mean you don't shut down a Trent 1000 due to lack of oil.