fade,
Getting on your particular nerves is my hobby (mission accomplished).

If you translate and read the article, the report states Norwegian operates three independent airlines from the same 30 square meter office space; NAS, NLH and NAI. This does not comply with AOC regulations - but then, not complying does not seem to worry Kjos or his cronies.

Wrong again....
 

The crew room for 158 crew members are for 2 flights a day and for the 787 operation only. The 737 and 787 crew have separate crew rooms in LGW.

Greaser,
"Wrong again"........oh really ?

Why not contact the CAA investigating official, then we will see who is wrong and who is right. The public domain contact details are:

Mr. Frode Lenning, Section Manager, CAA Norway - Email: [email protected] Telephone: + 47 95215899

In the link above, Dagbladet Norway news reports:

"CAA Inspection of Norwegian's LGW base on 28 May this year ended with harsh criticism. So bad were the conditions that the authority came to the following conclusion - CAA considering the base debarred"

"Since this is by definition two different airlines under two different authorities, NAS and NAI must have two independent bases for business. This requirement has been unfulfilled. IAA does not accept a common base"

But what positive news of any 787 agency pilots being offered the Kjos promise of direct employment with Norwegian ?

Bondi.. there is a difference between " bases" and "offices". The IAA require that the facilities and resources to support the AOC are " in place" does not mean all in the same place, many airlines have remote locations for operational support and just a small crew room to collect and print off OFPs etc etc. As far as I can see there is no such legislation stating different airlines can't share the same facilities. Apart from you, who doesn't actually work for NLH I don't see anyone else complaining on such a trivial level. What's your beef with this Company.. the Devil makes work for idle hands I think!

Avenger:
"As far as I can see there is no such legislation stating different airlines can't share the same facilities"

Translate and read the report of the CAA inspection - Link: Norwegians London-base slaktet i sjokkrapport fra Luftfartstilsynet - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

If you disagree, I suggest you contact the inspecting officer, Mr. Frode Lenning, Section Manager, CAA Norway: - Email: [email protected] Telephone: + 47 95215899.

As for idle hands, I hope this is not your new agenda.

I assume no 787 agency pilot, has so far been offered the Kjos promised, direct employment with Norwegian. Anyone know why ?

Cos he's a . . . kin liar ? ? :rolleyes: just a guess . . . . .

ZZZZzzzz
 

So boring ......

Bondi, the "report" to which you refer appears to be a tabloid selective write up and is hardly condemning evidence, anyway, it is somewhat irrelevant as the UK AOC is all but complete, Gatwick Gossip says Norwegian are about to sign for new offices and they are now advertising for 787 CP to "support the New AOC". The training and admin for 737 is moving to Dublin and they are seeking trainers and managers there also. The Norway CAA has a courtesy agreement with the UK and IAA and had its knuckles wrapped last year for being 2 months late in applying for oversight extensions, so it can hardly poke the finger! The LH crews we meet, whatever their reasons for joining, seem content and we should support their choices rather than try and bring the cards crumbling down,,give up your beef!

An informative response. However, you conveniently do not respond to my question; How many agency pilots have so far been transferred to direct employment with Norwegian, as promised by Kjos in his letter to the U.S. DoT on June 1st, this year ?

"It has been and will continue to be our firm policy to offer all pilots and cabin crew employed through agencies the opportunity to transfer their employment to a company in the Norwegian Group at the end of a transitional period"

The Kjos letter, Exhibit 1, can be viewed at the following link: Regulations.gov (ref: DOT-OST-2013-0204-0203, pdf attachment)

I note from the BALPA website that Norwegian pilots are now part of a 9,000 strong family. The word 'strong' has never been so misplaced.

"The British Airline Pilots Association (BALPA) has announced that pilots from West Atlantic Airlines and Norwegian Air Shuttle have decided to be represented at work and at a national and international level by the professional association for the UK pilot family"

BALPA announcement Link: BALPA | Norwegian Air Shuttle & West Atlantic pilots join growing BALPA pilot family

Surely a 9,000 'strong' family, would have no trouble bringing Kjos to task over his signed promise to employ their member pilots directly, rather than rent pilots from third-party agencies.

Meanwhile, if you walk along Bath Road, between the LHR aircraft noise, you will hear the sound 'ca-ching ca-ching' as Norwegian pilots union dues are deposited in the BALPA cash register.

Really ? Balpa ?
Must be for the short haul lot, long haul developing their own Union.

I was in BaLPa before and they were utterly useless, and according to some friends from GsS they were useless there too .

Still doesn't change the fact you need to go to the beach Mr bonds and forget your constant bear baiting

9/4 - Dagbladet News reports the Norwegian Cockpit Association believes Norwegian's use of American and Asian crew onboard Norway registered B787 aircraft is illegal, and their intended course of action next week:

LO-forbund politianmelder Norwegians bruk av asiatiske besetninger - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

copy and paste to Google Translate

Bondi, for whatever reason you seem to have a generously-proportioned bug up your ass about the employment practises of Norwegian. I would take a guess that, despite your wishful thinking and tiresome contributions, Norwegian will continue to expand and prosper. In the course of that process, some pilots will, regrettably, feel that they have been exploited and choose to leave. However, rather more will find it more than tolerable to provide their services for the agreed remuneration - I know that must irk you but that's just how it is.

Please, no more lectures, no more links to tabloid articles and most of all no more patronising your colleagues. We're all big boys and girls.

AH - I thought that the point of Terms and Endearment was to highlight and discuss the conditions on offer in the market place from current and potential employers. Yes, DB does have a bee in his bonnet about Norwegian but I am yet to see anyone show he is wrong.

Adolf,

Not sure who you are or what you are, however, it is apparent who you think you are. Similar to your namesake, a painter/politician with aspirations of grandeur, your pathetic attempt to intimidate has not, and will never work - quite the opposite. Despite your delusion of representing the purported contented masses, most pilots are blissfully unaware of the adverse realities of Norwegian's regime, receiving only the rose-tinted perspective from self-serving employment agencies.

This thread requests information on Norwegian's 787 recruitment and working conditions. I have provided some information and will continue to do so. The fact that the Norway media regularly reports on Norwegian's circumvention of laws, regulations and abhorrent treatment of staff, should be of serious concern to any prospective applicant. Ultimately, the pilots decide for themselves based on the information available - despite your spectacularly failed efforts to obstruct its dissemination.

Here's another news headline of Norwegian's shameful and intolerable treatment of crew for you to consider:

"Dream job in Norwegian was a nightmare" - "Feel exposed to witch-hunt from Kjos"

Link: Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

associated links in the article.

Oops, I appear to have touched a nerve. Sorry, Bondi, I take it all back. Please continue your self.appointed campaign to educate us on a daily basis and protect us from ourselves. All highly entertaining and much appreciated. I would never have worked out that Norwegian has adopted the agency 'employment' model without the benefit of your insight.

Please don't stop posting.

I see Rishworth have removed the advert for cruise captains. Can someone in the know tell me if they are no longer planning to take cruise captains in the future or is this a temporary thing.

Has anyone been recruited yet for the NLH job @ Gatwick and actually got a confirmed start date?
You are Brave if you have given in your EK / THY / SQ / QR / KE / CX notice , based on what we read about NLH

Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.

RCA
 

HI aviators,

I Passed the assesment for an RCA. Rishworth offered courses end of the year. Now I got a mail, that NAS Cpt take the Slots end of the year and possible Start Dates for me Are sometime in spring 2016.

Good luck to all of you

Zapper

Firm start dates have been given. As far as being brave, a few years in the sandpit, dealing with ever changing rules, constant influx of DEC, non-compliance with contractual terms when and where it serves companies agenda and a living environment where your family members are seen by the locals as slaves and subhumans, make your choice.

change "sandpit to sussex" and thats pretty much spot on for Norwegian Gatwick

All recruitment is closed but they say should open soon again for the aircrafts coming next autumn. Hear they will only open for CPT and FO then and not RCA since they have so many in the holding pool and also upgrade from within. As well a factor is that they only need very few RCA for each aircraft. So if you are a narrow body CPT you must now join as FO, unless you have wide body PIC time.

My experience when I fly on the 787, is that most of them are quite satisfied with Norwegian long haul. Perhaps they don't visit this forum. But I believe they see how things have improved the last year, and how it constantly is improving. I know many of you that won't agree, and that's fine. Go ahead and say that I am an idiot. But I have also been there, in a five star airlines. We all have our reasons to go somewhere else and perhaps end up in Norwegian long haul. For me, I value the full package offered.

Courses from October until January, about new 50 pilots. All filled up.

Direct Bondi is spot on as always, I would recommend adolf to shut up and read his posts, you might learn something.

With the need for more pilots over the next few years I keep hearing that Norwegian LH will be improving the T&C's next year together with offering additional new bases in UK. Any truth in this?
How many days off on average does a Capt get each month in UK at home?

The rumor is a 40% salary increase, not confirmed yet. Average days off is 12. BKK based less, UK based more. Rumor new crew base in ORY and BCN. New bases in UK is probably for 737 MAX that will fly long haul, but not for the 787 pilots.

Bondi sometimes scare me: he is always right! Are you the devil?

Nevertheless, thx for the info you provide my Bondi! Is very very much appreciated

Boeing Operator, ORY and BCN will be new base for the 787?
Do you have any information about the A320Neo, still in their plans?

A320 Neo are being leased out or sold on. There are no plans to operate a dual fleet in short haul, doesn't make sense.

BCN and ORY are rumoured to be new LH bases. BHX and/or MAN for SH.

Looks like the recruitment is open again. Check norwegian.com. Only FO and CPT this time. Hear they have RCAs waiting to start. :ok:

Beware - the Rishworth website states that pilots are "employed by our UK crewing company" - an employment agency leasing pilots to other airlines, specifically, Norwegian. However, there is no reference to this so-called "UK crewing company" in the Contact Us section of the Rishworth website. I suspect it is a broom cupboard somewhere in Crawley.
All employment agencies in the UK are regulated by:- The Conduct of Employment Agencies and Business Regulations 2003. Any pilot engaging with Rishworth via their "UK crewing company" should be familiar with this legislation.

So it seems that the contend of the bond is unenforceable for the following reasons:-
In the UK registered unemployed are obliged to seek work or have their benefits reduced and in some cases stopped entirely (JSA - Job Seekers Allowance regulations). Therefore, if you are registered unemployed (even for a week), interview for a position with Norwegian and offered employment, you are obliged to accept employment at the first opportunity or have your benefits stopped. Effectively, you are forced to sign a bond against your will. If at some later stage you decide that the working conditions are not to your liking (much has been written about the shameful management etc.), and seek alternatively employment, you are prevented form doing so by virtue of the bond. This is effectively Indentured Servitude and illegal under the UK Human Rights Act 1998 and European Convention on Human Rights.

New callsign - same old drone!

JW411 - But is it wrong ?

JW411:
There is only one Bondi and apparently, one plagiarist.

Kobus:
If you intend to quote any posts, kindly use quotation marks and reference the author. Alternatively, produce some original work!

Jax: I still believe the information in my original post to be correct.

With all this recruitment activity, does anyone have news of direct employment with Norwegian, as promised in writing by CEO Bjorn Kjos?

There is no sign of permanent contract with Norwegian on the horizon. Expiring contracts in 2016 with Rishworth will be replaced by new ones from OSM Aviation.

This is not good news and, if true, contradicts the Kjos letter to the DoT in which he promises "direct employment with a company in the Norwegian Group after a transitional period."

Being employed full-time with an agency and rented part-time by Norwegian, with no labor rights nor labor principles directly with Norwegian, could be a contributing factor why "half of Norwegian's pilots want to quit" - E24 Norway News 9/26 - Link:

Halvparten av Norwegian-pilotene ønsker å slutte - Jobb - E24

The news report also states:

"The pilots in Norwegian are dissatisfied with their employment. A new survey shows that half the pilots did not see a future in the company"

"The survey, carried out among 800 pilots in the group, also shows that 30% say they are looking for jobs in other companies and 75% of pilots surveyed responded that they would not recommend Norwegian as an employer"

Any plans for the LGW 787 pilots to also join BALPA ?

Yes. Norwegian Long Haul are joining forces with Short Haul and will be covered under the same BALPA recognition agreement with OSM. Shame it's not directly with the Organ Grinder though! :sad::{:mad:

I finally received an email from Rishworth or NLG ( who knows) stating the position that i had applied for is now closed however i am invited to re apply for the same position ( but different). WTF. Its been 5 months and thats their response.
Good luck to all who continue to persue this option. Personally these arrogant agencies need a preverbial kick up the a$$.

I wouldn't say joining forces.
A lot of LH have long memories and bad memories of being in BALPA before, we want something different.

You do have something different. You have the worst conditions in the western world.

See Rishworth has emailed recruitment is now open, with a new application system. They must be gearing up for mid 2016 I guess.

Any more news on this 40% Pay rise, or just rumour BS?!