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Has there been significant interest into the Monarch Airbus Rated recruitment? Is there a possibility of any non rated recruitment in the near future?

Anybody any news?

12 cadets starting from oxford this month, don't hold your breath for any recruitment outside of the flight schools. Just another unfortunate case of cheep labour screwing the industry for everyone else.

There are rumours of a wet lease which will negate the need for any recruitment. I am surprised at the reliance from OAA unless the airline is being paid something for taking them.With the new payscale it would make more sense to take experienced pilots rather than cadets as you are overpaying for the latters lack of experience.
Under the restructure a lot of experienced pilots have left and the junior pilots who were expecting to be made redundant have been retained,so it would make sense to hire some experienced people.

They have introduced a new cadet salary, not sure how much but it's fair to assume it won't be good (The full FO Salary is bad enough). As I understand it, there has been a need to sub lease in the summer which is due to the reduction in Mon fleet size, but this will have no impact on the recruitment needs of Monarch, they need to fully crew 34 aircraft and so many people have left and are continuing to leave that there is a need to replace them. I personally think it's a shame that they could not give these positions to experienced people but that seems to be the trend these days.

Draconian company rules constrain what we can say about the company on the internet, so you will not get an account of how working conditions and morale are at Monarch.

So does every company in the world. Surely someone from your company is anonymous on here.

Assymetricdrift

Sadly I think this is a very different company to the one that interviewed you 12 months ago!

Yeah it is a different company compared to 12 months ago.
Morale is rock bottom, worst it has been for over a decade !! :{ IMO

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Brian - would in hind sight have been better for Monarch to collapse ! Then at least all would have known where they stand rather than six months on moaning about it!

GDAJB
I wish there was an emoticon for 'fell off seat laughing'

Try .... PMSL :ok: instead

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Second batch of cadets now in training with 3 more lots of 4 scheduled for the next few days. Salary for cadets £21000, however is part year part time so slice a bit off that during the quiet months.
Have seen nothing of the "Draconian", just decent people clinging on to their futures. All companies are topping up the numbers with cadets so nothing new there.

If you think £21,000 (then with a bit lopped off for part time) is an acceptable salary for an airline pilot then you are part of the problem my friend.
my wife is a teaching assistant and earns that. She also gets half the year off and works 9-3. Granted her salary isn't likely to increase as per a pilots, but she also doesn't have a crippling training debt to pay off.

I thought the salary was nearer £33K. Does the £21K reflect a 9 and 5 roster?

£21k ???!!!!! For being second in Command of a multimillion pound asset and a priceless cargo. People really do under value themselves. It'll only stop when people refuse......which will be never. :hmm:

Any news regarding non rated experienced people?

21k?

Is this for real? How long are they on this rate, and when does it increase to anywhere near a reasonable wage?

£21k ???!!!!! For being second in Command of a multimillion pound asset and a priceless cargo. People really do under value themselves as A4 says.

That's what the paying public don't realise or care about. The person piloting the metal tube they are sitting in especially when anything goes wrong has minimal experience, is living on peanuts, usually running a second job to survive and running higher then ideal levels of Fatigue. :ugh: especially if /when something happens to their colleague :ooh:

Didn't think Monarch had cadet scales??? They have only one scale for 'pilots'.
When did this change?

Cool down everyone, I'm sure there's more to it than we're being told. I don't have the details personally but it's very easy to grab a sensationalist number and run with it. Wait and see until the full information from a reliable source comes out.

It's like the easy NEC, they're paid just £1200 a month initially which garners the same reaction as headline grabber, until you learn all the facts of the situation.

The facts of the matter is the same as why a lot of experienced guys have walked out the door, (far more than they expected), and are not looking back!

That's because they feared losing their jobs as the airline went under, not because they weren't paid enough.

It was and is a combination of both t&c's and prospects. Some FOs had their salary almost halfed (some ironically are better off shortermwise), some captains lost 30% (a few are better off initially). Also, fear of loosing their job's is not, still unfortunately, in the past tense, unfortunately this is the reason why several are still leaving or looking outside.

Monarch is not the same company it was six months ago in any respect, just ask any of the crew.

Are the gaps in crew just going to be filled by cadets if rated people can't be found or will opportunity open for non rated experienced.

Zero opportunity this year for non-rated would be my guess.

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Just wait till the fare paying public get to hear about this through what ever social media site :{ curtains for everybody.

If it is not true clamchowder, then what is it ? They have introduced a new cadet rate.

JumboJet 1999 what a load of tosh you speak.

easyJet treat their employees better than most of the other airlines that's why so many pilots are fighting to join their ranks including ex Monarch pilots. I'm assuming you're not fortunate enough to be one of them hence you lack of understanding of the conditions.

A handful of monarch employees have joined Easyjet, along with BA, Emirates, Etihad, China , Jet2 etc etc, several have turned the Orange side down!
Looking at poor pay and conditions for pilots and cabin crew, suggest you look further than Monarch.
Yes, the new t&c are a downstep fom previously, but they were ways above the average and there are currently an awful lot of far worse places to be at!!

I don't know of a single FO to leave Monarch for Easy, make of that what you will!!

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Fact!

Compensation and Benefits
Monarch divides the year into 13 roster periods of 28 days each. Pilots typically fly 9 roster periods full time during the summer and winter peak periods and 4 roster periods at 50% during off peak periods. Compensation is thus pro-rated to 11/13ths of the 100% reference salary.

These are salaried positions with a Cadet FO salary of £21,153 for the first six months, then rising to £32,153. These figures are 11/13ths of the 100% reference salaries, which are £25,000 and £38,000 respectively.

Flying Pay
First Officers receive £14.68 per hour, based on chock-to-chock time or scheduled block hour time, whichever is longer.

Other Pay
Monarch pilots receive pay for various non-flying work related activities such as simulator pay, ground classroom training, positioning pay, stand down pay and split duty pay.

Pension
Monarch contributes 7% of the 100% reference salary to the company pension scheme. This is set to rise 1% per year to a maximum of 10% from 1st November 2016-2018. There are no mandatory employee contributions; however, should an employee wish to contribute additional salary to their pension it will be done on a tax efficient salary sacrifice basis. This will be explained in greater detail during company induction.

Pension members also have a Death in Service Benefit and an Income Protection Scheme.

Sadly Holyjoe there are errors in your post.....

Enzo999 - as I am sure you are aware, a whole pile of disgruntled easyJet FOs left Monarch a few years ago to join easyJet. Nearly all were strongly advised by their colleagues not to leave as the permanent contracts they were seeking would be issued once the then industrial dispute between BALPA and management was resolved. Despite that advice the said FOs got up and left to join a 'proper' and 'decent' company, where they were destined to be treated with respect etc. Some of those guys have applied to come back and were not considered due to the manner in which they left easyJet (one of life's golden rules is to never clear your pitch when you leave somewhere as you never know what the future holds). Some were considered but there were a number of failures at the sim stage. I know we have taken a number of Monarch captains, but I do not know of any FOs who have actually ended up coming here (for the reasons given).

I understand that one or two of the more senior Monarch captains who were destined to come here as DECs decided at the last minute to stay put. I wish then the very best in the future, but I cannot help but feeling they have made a mistake. As we all know, there is no magic answer to these questions, but from where I sit right now, easyJet's future looks way more solid than Monarch's. A number of people (great guys one and all) obviously do not agree with that assessment and have stuck with Monarch. I simply cannot see a place for a small 737 operation in tomorrow's market place, but time will tell who has got that right or not. In the meantime, I hope all those affected by redundancy/relocation etc will be ok in the longer term.

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Rhino...that was the advertisement placed by Monarch..if there are errors then the errors are Monarchs, not mine.

This thread is supposed to be about Monarch not Monarch vs EasyJet. I know a few FOs left Easy for Monarch and that seems to have left a bad taste in the mouths of a few guys at Easy, but it was just a few, the vast majority of FOs at Monarch have no connection to Easy at all.

A lot of captains have recently left Mon and I tend to agree with Count that this is the correct move, the guys that turned it down did so because they did not want to relocate or live away from their families for 5 days a week (perfectly understandable).

I also agree that EasyJet are a good company that treat their staff better than its competitors, but don't kid yourselves that it is perfect or that it has not played a part in driving down Terms across the whole industry.

The reasons no FO has joined Easy from Monarch are as follows.

1, most of us can't afford to, if we joined it would be on a fexi contract salary at its best 60k for 900 hours, but I think it's fair to assume we will work closer to 600 resulting in a salary of 40,200, This is based on the highest rate of pay! No pension, sick pay, holiday pay. Like many other adults in this world I have bills nursery fees, mortgage, car loan etc and I have to be sure each month I will be able to pay them.

But after 1 year of this we will be rewarded (if the company requires it) with a full time second officer contract 39k a year with no flight pay. My first ever job in aviation 10 years ago was paying more than that. So after yet another year of not being able to feed my family or heat my house I will finally get that FO salary 45k apart from the are very likely to give me 75 percent meaning another year of earning not enough.

It will easily take me 4 years to earn anything close to the salary needed to maintain my lifestyle.

2, They have not actually offered any of us job we were supposed to have interviews but the were cancelled late last year and never re scheduled. In that time though I bet they have taken hundreds of fresh faced cadets.

If EasyJet offered us all full time FO or SFO contracts nearly every FO would leave instantly but they won't because it's too expensive. As I said earlier I am not attacking EasyJet I like many others would love to join but the terms on offer at the bottom end are so bad only cadets or people truly disparate will except them. At the top end SFO and captain things are much better but still a long way off industry leading.

I am glad the people working at Easy Love it but you must try and see why the rest of us fail to agree. You describe it as a fair and decent employer well they are not being very fair or decent to experienced pilots wanting to join.

Enzo999 - you are certainly right that easyJet have not offered favourable terms to experienced FOs. The figures you quote are, however, not 100% correct and you also miss out the fact that easyJet has historically exercised some discretion to insert First Officers at an appropriate point on the pay scale depending on their experience.

Unfortunately, your experience of easyJet pilot recruitment and the cancellation of scheduled interviews is par for the course. Indeed, you're lucky you were not offered jobs and them had them rescinded at the last subsequently. Although the recruitment process is quite good, the 'management' of pilot recruitment is something of a disaster. The only thing I can say by way of consolation is that once you get through all that and into the Company it is a really good place to be. Anyway, so sorry about that. Good luck in all your endeavours.