Twiglet, you know nothing about my position so please don't make foolish assumptions.

This part of pprune is intended for pilots seeking employment and not for office staff seeking to cause trouble. May I respectfully suggest that your input is not and cannot be helpful.

Monarch 2015
 

My humble apologies to all. I wish MON nothing but the best my line of questioning was down to my personal experiences of airline unemployment and at that time I didn't care what I did as long as I was paid.

OK, sorry if I was a bit harsh.

Recruitment
 

Is there any news on future recruitment, TR/NTR?

Many Thanks,
G

Twiglet. I've been in that position. And the effect of threats from management that the airline will close and therefore need to hammer pay and conditions to surivive rarely fail to work on the workforce.

A fair amount of companies that end up staying in business have according to them scraped through using this tactic and dodged the bullet. Of course, nothing to do with overall business wastage, poor price point, lease deals, hedging errors etc etc. And funny that the next round of senior managers aren't exactly on 60k a year "all found". The companies that do go out of business tend to go quick without bullying the staff to believe its their fault that their perceived high pay and days off are jeopardising the company. It's the same old story. Badly managed, don't say anything for years. The accountants pick up the phone just giving the bottom line. As a manager you crap yourself, realise to fix the years of mis management/bad descisions takes too long. So then pick on the lowest common denominator to pick up your bill, then take the quick way. Blame it on them, the workers, they'll buy it. They're stupid.

Not saying there's a lot to do be done in this situation, as calling bluff when a company is threatening to shut its doors takes a brave man, but the airline world has recently seen more than its fair share of this trick.

Recruitment
 

Application in yesterday, exiting times. Yet another great airline recruiting :D is the big freeze over?

Cliff, I'm not inclined to disagree with any of that.

Anyone received a response about their application yet?

@PressTheTit.

Once was a great airline, now the same as the others.

@ HP bleed,

Couldn't agree more! Anyone considering Monarch should do their research! Airline bought out by venture capitalists, currently part time in the winter and a summer slogging! Not the place it was!

@ HP bleed,

Couldn't agree more! Anyone considering Monarch should do their research! Airline bought out by venture capitalists, currently part time in the winter and a summer slogging! Not the place it was!

Hi Folks,

Has anyone any idea of time to command in Monarch?

Are all the pilot body on 85% contracts or is it just new hires?

Regards,

CP.

All pilots at Mon are on forced part year working which equates to slightly less than 85%. There was some talk about this being increased to 92% for next year, but with the recent issues in Egypt I would not hold your breath on any change for the foreseeable future.

Command, well who knows! My guess would be quite a long time. With no expansion plans and captains reluctant or unable to leave due to the recent pension massacre, you are basically reliant on age related retirements which are few and far between. Without a change in circumstance i.e mass expansion I think you could be easily looking at 10 to 15 years and let's be honest in this industry can anyone even be sure Mon will exist by then (or even next week)!

Your answers sound familiar Enzo999 e.g like every other European airline :uhoh:

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Regards,

CP.

A colleague of mine who started early this year, has been told he could be looking at a Command in a couple of years .......

That's what they told me 3 years ago and I am still a long way down the seniority list. Unfortunately they seem to use command as a carrot to dangle to stop people leaving, to be honest they have very few other "carrots" available to them these days.

Anyone joining today will have at least 200 F/Os in front of them, obviously not all will have the hours (but that will change with time) and not all will meet the grade but it's still a vast number ahead of you. The airline is not expanding or expected to for a number of years (or ever) and the captains are all very reluctant to leave, so you are reliant on retirements. Because of the changes last year many captains were hit hard on their pensions so are now all planning to work till 65.

So to be honest I don't believe anyone has any chance of command for many many years possible 10 or more and who can say if monarch will even be here by then. There are some great reasons to join Mon but unfortanately this is not one.

Just for a bit of balance regarding time to command.
I waited 8 years.

Command courses are running this year for F/O's that have been in the company as low as 4.5 years.

Many captains are not contemplating going back full time when that happens in the next couple of years.

Some captains will retire early rather than go on the 737 max when it arrives.
Some are now considering part-time working, now that it is in a more agreeable format.
Also, the fleet size maybe 30 but probably towards the 45 including firm orders.

We aren't as competitive T&C's wise, so the churn of F/O's might be higher than in previous years. (When it was quite high anyway).

Also, there would presently be just 183 F/O's above you :)

That's a positive spin on things. Possibly, reality might be somewhere in the middle.

If you really want to know the time to command, get one of these:
http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/.../crystal_2.png

fleet growing by 50%?!

Last time Monarch's eyes were bigger than their belly it was hours away from killing the company before the penny dropped.

It's closer to 30% and it wouldn't be until delivery of all of the Boeings. Which is at least 5yrs away.

And it may not happen.

And thats your positive spin ! So Enzo is about right then if fleet growth, if any exists, is 5 years away at least. And 'just 183" is pretty close to 200.