And scheduling agreement intact. Yes I know we've had a pay cut smart asses. Hopefully to be addressed in a couple of years time.

working class oik made good. Hells Bells, another ruffian
 

Absolutely dismayed to learn that a council house boy from a Bournemouth sink estate has taken over as Monarch CEO. What a dive in experience from the halcyon days of Danny Bernstein who at least had an impeccable business background from Dan Air in the 70,s.and a great man to work for.
I can only think that this follows the current trend of placing thugs with dubious educational backgrounds and a penchant for disliking the Airline Pilot in the front of the rack em and stack em businesses.

I sincerely hope you're joking. Although Danny was (is) a gentleman, as was AJS before him.

I did think the referencing to Council Estates was a bit unnecessary in that article but Monarch's PR obviously thought it was the right angle to take.

And if Monarch's PR people thought it was right, then they must be right. In fact, you should believe everything they tell you - the new Monarch will really have no difficulty as a minnow in a pond of giant carp like Ryanair, easyJet, Norwegian and Veiling. How hard can it be?

Sounds like you think you are a cut above the rest Koi, what is wrong with coming from a Council Estate or anywhere for that matter, good look to anybody who tries to improve oneself. Have you met the person in question, doubt it. I tell you something you just sound like an obnoxious little :mad: and by God have I met a few of your like over the years unfortunately.

compton 3b, why be so abusive. koi is entitled to his/her opinion as are you. :mad:

Koi
 

You've contributed nothing to this thread (admittedly nor have I) save for your bizarre ramblings. Being from a council estate and house did me no harm. Some people from very humble beginnings have went on to either lead or build major businesses. It's a shame that no matter how hard someone works, what they achieve or what they do for a living can be overshadowed by where they come from in life by the likes of you.

The only thing I remember Danny doing was buying Pullman Holidays ,which specialised in holidays to Israel. We have not operated a flight there for years.,so you can see how profitable that purchase was.
I personally do not care where the management comes from as long as they provide strong leadership and are competent at what they do. There have been too many leaders recently who have not demonstrated either of these qualities or have only produced a profit by failing to invest and modernise and have sweated the assets.
What I find disturbing is the horde of orange on this forum who are obviously so insecure of their long term positions that they have to denigrate any company who may offer even a hint of competition to their employer.

I'll venture

Quod circumvehitur, revehitur.

It seems to me a lot of yellow jealousy from the Orange machine! Maybe the fatigue upsets them? I would rather be lead by a savy ex council bloke than an arrogant ctc type ;)

Interesting, isn't it, the pervasive "orange" (genuinely used as an EZY management term regarding personality). That it comes invariably from such smug cadets and those older crew who have never worked elsewhere shows a terrible problem with insecurity mixed with arrogance. You only have to look at their strut around the airport... It's a minority of their staff that are so afflicted, but not a small minority. :=

It must be a miniscule proportion of easy crew who do that. I've never heard anything but positivity toward Monarch and their crew and recall several different people discussing how they wish Monarch well and to pull through, as I'm sure we all do. Admittedly there are a few people so orange that you can't reason with them when you say anything 'bad' about easy but I'm sure other airlines have these types too.

If easy crew are strutting around then it would be an extraordinary turn of events as it was only until recently people used to look down on us. In fact I remember being in a northern base and crew from at least two other airlines (neither Monarch) would go out of their way to avoid us when passing or sharing a lift!

Give any 19/20 year old a couple of silver or gold bars and he's going to strut round the terminal no matter who he works for. Seen it too many times with my own eyes!

I know a council house boy who is currently a Training Captain for a large very well known airline in the U.K.

Legions of council house boys made good in the days when every town had a grammar school.

Jesus was born in a stable and he seemed to do OK. Well, apart from the crucifixion, that was a bit unfortunate. Anyway, anyone who can turn water into wine is OK with me :ok:

Monarch was a great company in my day. It is very sad the way things have turned out. I wish you all tbe very best for the future.

Of course Jesus had to be born in a stable because the inn was full - it was Christmas! Old joke I know but just trying to lighten the proceedings a little on this thread;)

Grammar Schools
 

You raise an interesting point about Grammar Schools. I've never understood why the Labour Party are so ideologically opposed to them when the Grammar School system was the best bridge out of poverty that the working class ever had. If Labour wanted to win the next election they could do worse than offering to bring them back...

Anyway speaking personally I would jump at the chance of a job at Monarch but sadly they don't seem to be interested in us turboprop guys at present. I can only hope that situation changes. There are legions of ex-jet jocks at Flybe who have been forced off the jet back to the Dash 8 and want to find a pathway back to a jet job and Monarch would suit just fine.

If anyone has any info please post here. I'm aware that the package has diminished and the company has had its problems but I for one wish them well for the future and look forward to seeing them back on top form again.

Job Security
 

As much fun as the "my airlines going to last longer than yours" arguments are - lets face it. We are ALL employed in aviation - job security doesn't exist!

It's purely timing and luck that determine your first job. From there it's a personal choice whether to stay or move on elsewhere dependent on our individual circumstances. NO AIRLINE OFFERS IT ALL!

It would have been a loss if Monarch succumbed last year. I'm sure times are tough and morale is undoubtedly an issue but the cost base is dramatically reduced; they have finally a leader at the helm (irrespective of where he came from); a strong brand; excellent loads and dare I say it the only 'low cost' player with the faintest clue about customer service. It's all to play for and good luck to them!

DP

Without wishing to give you false hope, the ex-Flybe joiners from the last couple of years have been highly regarded within the training dept and so it is entirely conceivable that more will be fished from this particular pool at some point.

Thanks
 

Thanks Mike, I will keep my ear to the ground and hope it re-opens for us - good to hear that the Flybe peeps were a good fit - I guess if you can fly a Dash 8 you can fly pretty much anything!!

Dash drivers have been doing well at Monarch for years, many made the switch in 04, 05 & 06 and were highly regarded by the training department. Dash guys & gals just have to get past the "jet time, jet time, jet time" brigade that still exists in some airlines, the training is the easy bit!