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Originally Posted by Heisenb3rg
(Post 10625173)
Movement yesterday and the day before for people going onto 320 and 350. Possibly other fleets too but I've not heard.
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Friend of mine got the call yesterday for LHR SH. He is already A320 typed. 3 months in the pool.
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Hopefully suggests for the rest of us the manpower plan is approaching a publishable form. Interesting as always to see how close the rumours approach to reality. |
Originally Posted by Jwscud
(Post 10625479)
Hopefully suggests for the rest of us the manpower plan is approaching a publishable form. Interesting as always to see how close the rumours approach to reality. |
I know people who have been pleasantly surprised to be given 787 command on type courses in January Rex, so perhap P2 will also have gone more junior than expected. The results will be with us soon enough. |
Originally Posted by Biggles88
(Post 10624293)
Hi Ladies and Gents I was wondering if anyone has heard any recent positive news in the hold pool or are having a similar experience? Ive been in the pool since the start of March. During my assessment I was told if successful to expect a call very soon as the pool was very low. After a couple of months without hearing anything I contacted them as they said no training was scheduled till the end of summer. Towards the end of July I got a call to expect a start date in Q1 2020 and I would receive that date in September, possibly into October. It’s now end of November and still no date and to be honest the recent emails from them have start to make me wonder whether it will happen at all. I appreciate all this is subject to change when your in the hold pool, and I’ve heard people were waiting 24 months plus in the pool a couple of years ago. I just feel on the basis of what I have been told from the start it all feels a bit disconcerting. Just wondering if anyone is going through the same? I've heard rumours this is dependant upon the current negotiations being completed. Would be great if someone in the know could confirm whether this is likely true or not. Tvm |
Things are moving...
Any more good news? :D Keep it coming! Us swimmers will hopefully be rescued soon |
Originally Posted by capt.sparrow
(Post 10625250)
Friend of mine got the call yesterday for LHR SH. He is already A320 typed. 3 months in the pool.
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Originally Posted by boeing89
(Post 10626099)
Has anyone without a 320 rating been called for a SH start yet? Or should those of us that are not rated expect to swim a little longer? |
Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?
What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul? I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand. Cheers |
Originally Posted by aaa333
(Post 10626171)
Does Anyone have the Paypoint 34 (PP34) Payscale that new joiners will join on?
What can you expect the starting salary to be on Short Haul and Long Haul? I know theres a payrise negotiation going on but just interested in the numbers as they currently stand. Cheers https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe). Oh, important point, pension is based upon the 24 point payscale, so your employer contributions go up quicker than salary. There are seperate scales for LGW and LHR SH as well as LH. Pay settlement is looking at 11.5% over 3 years; there are other odds and sods thrown in that will give you an extra (minor) boost in salary. Stuff like an extra quid per hour Flight Duty Pay. If it’s signed off of course!!! |
Originally Posted by VinRouge
(Post 10626320)
pilots job network fairly accurate for LH. https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/British_Airways i think the full full scale is on the Balpa website, airline documents > BA MOA (Salary Annexe). |
What's the average experience for direct entry FO with no A320 type rating on the short haul fleet?
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Doubt there is one. If you have the hours requirement and pass the assessment, you're in.
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Originally Posted by VinRouge
(Post 10626320)
There are seperate scales for LGW and LHR SH as well |
Thanks for that link and help guys! the link just has PP1 and PP34. If year 1 LH at the current contract is 4300 net, do you know what years 5 and 10 would be as a rough guide? cheers! |
Every year it rises by 2500 gross I think
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What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR? |
Originally Posted by HEJT2015
(Post 10627209)
What length of commute is feasible for a junior FO SH LHR? |
I do about an hour and a half, and it’s ok. Occasional hotels before earlies / between blocks. 45 mins - 1 hour driving would be perfect, but I like where I live. Couldn’t imagine doing more than 90 mins tops regularly though. |
HEJT
Not sure if by "commute" you mean by road or by flight. If it's by flight then be aware ( if you weren't from previous posts here ) that the current management regime have got into the habit of on occasions running audits on the commuting patterns of those who travel to/from base by air. They have paid particular interest to the days and timing of flights and time available for rest at base prior to duty. |
Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
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Originally Posted by Percula
(Post 10627554)
Is it feasible to commute from central London using public transport on a junior SH roster at LHR? I don't have a car and wasn't planning on buying one.
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Originally Posted by Barcli
(Post 10627560)
Just use AddisonLee - most others do........
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It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
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Originally Posted by Percula
(Post 10627566)
For every morning flight? That must add up.
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It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.
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I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).
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Originally Posted by Percula
(Post 10627782)
I'm in Zone 1 so it's normally around an hour. The only issue is that none of the public transport is running in time to make the first SH report (which looks to be around 05:20).
I'll figure it out. |
Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
(Post 10627596)
It does seem, if the cost and time involved in the commute to Heathrow is factored in, the already underwhelming salary at the bottom rungs, looks even more uncompetitive.
For anyone who spends any portion of their journey on the M25: double the non-traffic time and if the result is too unpalatable, I'd suggest you'll probably struggle. It's also worth considering that as a new joiner you'll have absolutely no rostering consistency - they'll gladly transition you from lates to earlies (or visa versa) as many times as they please throughout the month, often with only one "day off" inbetween. It's pretty hideous stuff, particularly from a commuting perspective. If you have other options with similar pay I'd seriously consider them. If it were me I'd probably see BA short haul more as one of the last resorts now. |
Does anyone know what the part-time options are in BA? Are they quite easy to get or does one have to wait a few years. Cheers!
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Getting one of the "Aspirational" Part Time contracts ( as in simply wanting like more time off/doing less work) seems recently to have become increasingly difficult, if not almost impossible to get . There are two versions of Aspirational - either 58%, which very roughly speaking a full time month, followed by a part time month in which you need to do enough work to keep recency, or 72% where you do two full time months followed by a part time month....
Getting "Right to Request" (where I think you supposedly need a case for going part time, such as helping to care for dependents) - don't know about availability and I think there are a lot of variations in the pattern so I'll leave somebody more familiar with that to fill in the details. |
Right to request (RTR) part time is either 75% or 50% and works 3 weeks on then one week off, or two weeks on and two weeks off. Several years ago, it was determined to be illegal to discriminate between someone just wanting more time off for whatever reason, and someone wanting more time off for childcare or what have you. BA have indeed given right to request part time to people who have no childcare or other caring roles, and the reason for the request was given as “I’m working too hard”. Saying that, part time is considered on an order of application basis, and granted or rejected case by case. There is often a long wait of about a year from date of request to actually working part time, in order to fit in around the needs of the business. Requests are often rejected outright, and some requests for RTR part time are granted on a purely temporary basis. At the moment, you can get back from a trip on the last day of your available days, and the industrial or EASA required days off are within your unpaid part time days off. (The cabin crew have to have their industrial/EASA days off contained within their available to work days for both part time and leave, whereas the pilots have never had that). Pilots do have wrap days attached to leave, which may have been designed to account for that, but they do not currently exist attached to part time days off). BALPA have apparently compared part time rosters and full time rosters and determined that typically, part time pilots are working harder than their adjusted full time equivalents. ie a 75%RTR pilot is doing more than 75% of a full time pilot’s workload. However recent legal findings elsewhere suggest this might need to change. With all of the above in mind, a request for part time does not require seniority, and your request will not be rejected simply because you are junior. That being said, whether junior or senior, you cannot assume your request will be granted. |
Numbers are randomly allocated. It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory. |
Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February |
Originally Posted by Jwscud
(Post 10632394)
it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory.
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Originally Posted by Jwscud
(Post 10632394)
Numbers are randomly allocated. It it used to be done by age which in my view is fairer but was apparently discriminatory. |
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Names out of a hat. Done by the recruitment team prior to joining. I thought it would be more fun to do it when you arrived day one at Waterside! Would you be able to know who was higher? |
Originally Posted by Phantom4
(Post 10632906)
Two TC friends recent simulator,one has 350 and the other 777 in February |
Originally Posted by anson harris
(Post 10627754)
It's very straightforward to commute from Central London. Heathrow workers get a 50% (pretty sure it's 50% but either way it's heavily discounted) on the Heathrow Express. You've also got the tube and the "TFL Train" which used to be known as Heathrow Connect. Plenty of people do it on short and long haul.
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