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Twiglet1 10th January 2016 08:24

Nil further /Rex
As you know sub part q has been around for some time and LCC and State airlines have been working it for many years. If Easyjet use EASA I doubt they would apply it with a free hand , more likely in controlled way which with their FRMS they have no option but to. E.g x amount of flights @ xx hour s in the week. You also conveniently forget to mention that the limits on afternoons are less under EASA so there are some small swings the other way.
This should not be an industrial discussion full! Stop

RexBanner 10th January 2016 08:30

So ignore the clearly fatiguing (read dangerous) examples I have shown and then give EASA FTL's the all clear because a minority proportion of afternoon duties (which is not the time that the majority of people feel tired at work) now have shorter limits. Great argument.

By the way there is an airline I have named in this thread who ARE operating EASA with a free hand with no scheduling agreement or FRMS system who are happily flying around in EU airspace unimpeded putting significant pressure on the bottom line of easyJet (at least in the accountants' eyes) who in turn influence British Airways.

Nil further 10th January 2016 14:43

Twiglet1

Unless you are an easyjet pilot flying full time easyjet rosters then you can have no possible understanding of the fatigue issues in easyjet .

I note from your previous posts that you appear to be some sort of fan or apologist for the EASA FTL regime .

EasyJet pilots are not asking for more money or to work less .We are asking for an FTL scheme that has at least some science in its workings to remain in place as opposed to the politically and commercially driven mess that is EASA

As for FRMS , it is noble concept and if allowed to do its job free of commercial pressure and tweaking then it could be a devastatingly effective tool .......

Apologies epic thread creep. Chief Brody below is correct , time to vacate !

Chief Brody 10th January 2016 15:10

Nil Further / Twiglet

It's time to vacate this thread with your Easy FTL back and forth...

VxVy 10th January 2016 15:25

777 first officer bidding
 
In terms of bidding , I have a few questions for any Long haul (preferably 777) pilots;

What is the least popular destinations and what are the most popular ones for first officers?

Even with a blind line, are you allowed to trade with other FO's?

Even though there is no guarantee of success, can you specify a particular start time or end time for a particular day? (In theory could you request for example; Saturday nights from 6pm onwards, or request to work every Sunday)

Do you also get to bid for your annual recurrent sim training slots?


Thanks guys!

P0tt3r 10th January 2016 15:51


Originally Posted by Chief Brody (Post 9234324)
Nil Further / Twiglet

It's time to vacate this thread with your Easy FTL back and forth...

Yes, and Rex.

Back on topic.

Is the Fixed Flight Pay 1 or 2 months in arrears?
Is the £3.39 "away from base pay" 1 or 2 months in arrears?
Are either/both payable for ground school/sim?

It's 2 weeks leave in winter, and 2 in summer. Are they 7 day blocks?
Same question re the "duty free" weeks, and do you have to be contactable in the "duty free" weeks?

Thanks.

wiggy 11th January 2016 06:44

VxVy
 
As far as the 777 is since I'm not an FO I can't tell you their preferred destinations other than the obvious ones such as SIN and EZE ..

Anyhow to answer to some of your other questions...


Even with a blind line, are you allowed to trade with other FO's?
AFAIK Yes but I'm not an expert on that - I believe there might be problems with credit transfer if you're trying to trade with a Tripline holder.


Even though there is no guarantee of success, can you specify a particular start time or end time for a particular day? (In theory could you request for example; Saturday nights from 6pm onwards, or request to work every Sunday)
You can certainly submit blindline preferences but at the moment at least Pre-Ops (scheduling) build the Blindlines from the selection of whatever trips are left unallocated after all the Triplines have been put together, so their/your choice is limited. Best you might expect is a result from a broad preference such as "long trips preferred", or "LHR trips preferred". I certainly think you'd be very lucky if Pre-Ops actively considered a preference for start/end times....but you can always ask....


Do you also get to bid for your annual recurrent sim training slots?
Annual? I wish! It's six monthly - Yes, you can submit a preference for certain days, and training admin might try to comply with your wishes, but again no guarantees - you often get something out of the slots that are left after they've rostered those on courses....

RexBanner 11th January 2016 08:21

Excuse me P0tt3r I actually tried to relate my comments on the introduction of EASA FTLs to the impact on the industry and British Airways (in the context of a previous comment from someone implying that it was a bad decision to join BA as a result of the implementation of EASA FTLs as if the rest of the industry were somehow immune!).

The comments regarding how EASA was being dealt with specifically and exclusively involving easyJet were nothing to do with me. But as you rightly say, it's time to move back to the recruitment theme..

Carnage Matey! 11th January 2016 09:07


Is the Fixed Flight Pay 1 or 2 months in arrears?
Is the £3.39 "away from base pay" 1 or 2 months in arrears?
Fixed flight pay is paid every month so I don't think it's in arrears. TAFB pay is one month in arrears.


Are either/both payable for ground school/sim?
No.



It's 2 weeks leave in winter, and 2 in summer. Are they 7 day blocks?
Its one 7 day and one 6 day block, both start on a Saturday.


Same question re the "duty free" weeks, and do you have to be contactable in the "duty free" weeks?
7 day blocks and you are not contactable. You can work in a DFW if you wish but not in Leave.

P0tt3r 11th January 2016 09:19

Thanks Carnage.

Does leave attract "wrap days"? And do the duty free weeks?

Tay Cough 11th January 2016 09:28


Its one 7 day and one 6 day block, both start on a Saturday.
Nearly. ;)

Two seven-day leave blocks starting on a Saturday, with associated wrap days.

no sponsor 11th January 2016 10:35

Holidays: can only be taken in blocks of 7 days. Always start on a Saturday. You get wrap days (days supposedly free of duty) either before or after the 7 days. Before, then you get 3 wrap days prior to the Saturday OR 4 days after i.e. you only get one set of wrap days on a 7 day block. If you manage to get 14 days off, then you'll get 3 wrap days at the beginning and 4 off at the end, unless you bid otherwise.

P0tt3r 11th January 2016 11:16


Originally Posted by no sponsor (Post 9235094)
Holidays: can only be taken in blocks of 7 days. Always start on a Saturday. You get wrap days (days supposedly free of duty) either before or after the 7 days. Before, then you get 3 wrap days prior to the Saturday OR 4 days after i.e. you only get one set of wrap days on a 7 day block. If you manage to get 14 days off, then you'll get 3 wrap days at the beginning and 4 off at the end, unless you bid otherwise.

Ok. So each leave block is 10-11 days including wrap days (at one end), and may or may not cover 2 weekends.

Very useful thanks.

Permafrost_ATPL 11th January 2016 13:07

Since it does not appear that ground school duties attract any duty payments, can someone confirm whether the type rating sim duties do?

Just trying to do some financial planning for the next couple of months :ok:

GS-Alpha 12th January 2016 02:34

The hourly payment you are referring to is called TAFB and stands for 'time away from base'. If you are a Heathrow based pilot, and you are doing your ground school and simulator training at Heathrow, then you are not leaving base.

bucket_and_spade 12th January 2016 08:25

The flying pay allowance is paid from day one with the company. It was in my first pay packet earlier last year.

Permafrost_ATPL 12th January 2016 08:26

Thanks bucket_and_spade :ok:

P0tt3r 12th January 2016 09:22


Originally Posted by bucket_and_spade (Post 9236057)
The flying pay allowance is paid from day one with the company. It was in my first pay packet earlier last year.

Excellent. That makes sense to me.

GS-Alpha 12th January 2016 09:28

Permafrost, sorry if I misled you there. You asked about duty based pay and despite its name, the 'flying pay allowance' is not a duty based payment. You'll receive it every month regardless of whether you fly, have a conversion course, are off sick or on leave.

glipglop 12th January 2016 13:55

So I've just had my uniform fitting, and the shirts feel absolutely massive. Any idea if they are allowed to be altered? If so, any recommendations?

Apologies if too far off topic.


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