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jimboy473 18th January 2016 09:01


Originally Posted by spyce (Post 9241261)
Hello all,


Just a quick question. On the math assessment on day 1, do you have a paper or is it all mental?

Yes spyce you do have a spare bit of paper to jot stuff down on and the questions are on paper as well, very time limited though!

Good luck!!

cessnapete 18th January 2016 09:46

Mate of mine involved with sim assesment with large British airline. He is amazed at the number of ex Airbus candidates from other UK airlines, who have lost the skills of trimming, and controlling speed maunually with the thrust levers, big part of the assesment.
It's not just AF and some Asian carriers, but it appears the basic flying skills deficiency is now becoming a UK problem too.

HPbleed 18th January 2016 10:03

He is amazed that people who don't use a skill forget how to use it? You don't trim an airbus and a lot of carriers forbid use of manual thrust. Five years of doing that and you soon get used to that and that alone unless you can afford to keep a single engine rating up. It's not amazing, it's expected. However, a couple of hours in a fixed based 737 sim and most people would regain the skill fairly quickly, in preparation for the big even,t £300 for a future career is not a lot.

no sponsor 18th January 2016 10:16

You'll find the tests are looking at capacity. Can you fly ok and have the ability to do other things at the same time? If you're using 100% of your capacity to just handle the aircraft you're not what they're looking for. NOTECHs are your ability to be able to recognise the big picture, including yourself, and be effective. Get the hang of that and you've cracked it for the Sim.

cessnapete 18th January 2016 11:13

HPbleed.
It's scary that in the recent AF 330 and Indonesia 320 accidents, the pilots were unable to hand fly aircraft with basic controls, had a full set of instruments, fully serviceable engines, but no auto throttle, and presumably ground speed from the GPS.
Looks like we're going the same way.

overstress 18th January 2016 12:23

fly4more:


but i can grease it on when it matters
I know it was only a throwaway comment, ;) but BA do NOT want you to try and 'grease it on' as they see runway excursion as a major threat. They want you to do a standard landing in the touchdown zone when it matters!

fly4more 18th January 2016 15:23

... yep they can plonk it down in the touch down zone, but dont look out of the window while taxying....

overstress 18th January 2016 17:59

"They" referring to whom? A lot of BA pilots post useful info on here, it would be a shame if they went away because of cheap shot postings like that one :confused:

tfly737 18th January 2016 19:06

Anyone got direct entry 787 recently?

Megaton 18th January 2016 19:38


Anyone got direct entry 787 recently?
A mate starts as DEP on the 787 in Apr. Previous experience RAF and large biz jets.

tfly737 18th January 2016 20:00

ok great. Any idea how many seats are available?

jimboy473 18th January 2016 20:16

Any DEP 744 going atm?

Megaton 19th January 2016 05:46

Mate going to the 787 was offered 787, 747 or 777 so all three available at the moment. He chose 787 because it was the first course to come up.

Jwscud 19th January 2016 08:51

I had my sim on a Thursday afternoon and received a phone call with the good news the following Monday. My sim partner heard 3 days later so 7 days from the sim (he also passed.)

bucket_and_spade 19th January 2016 09:40


Originally Posted by flying11red (Post 9242234)
Jwscud,

Thanks for your reply. I'll keep my fingers crossed a little bit longer.

Cheers

It can be nearly 2 weeks - keep the faith!

jimboy473 19th January 2016 10:08


Originally Posted by Megaton (Post 9242111)
Mate going to the 787 was offered 787, 747 or 777 so all three available at the moment. He chose 787 because it was the first course to come up.

How long did he have to wait in the pool of you don't mind me asking?

Fursty Ferret 19th January 2016 14:20


HPbleed.
It's scary that in the recent AF 330 and Indonesia 320 accidents, the pilots were unable to hand fly aircraft with basic controls, had a full set of instruments, fully serviceable engines, but no auto throttle, and presumably ground speed from the GPS.
Looks like we're going the same way.
When was the last time you hand flew a commercial jet transport (Airbus or Boeing) at cruise altitude? It's not like throwing it around at 3000 feet on the ILS.

cessnapete 19th January 2016 14:57

Are you saying that after Autopilot/Autothrottle failure at altitude you accept pilots are unable to control the aircraft.
Pilots should be able to hand fly his aircraft at any altitude in emergencies such as mentioned. On the Boeings I flew we had a set of memory power and attitudes which we would fly in the event of asi indication failure for example.
In the examples mentioned crews lacked the handling skills to manually fly the aircraft to lower levels where the emergency could be dealt with.
I repeat in the Air Asia example, the crew had a perfectly flyable aircraft in Alternate Law i.e. handling like a non fly by wire aircraft. The only things missing, an autopilot and auto throttle?

RexBanner 19th January 2016 17:34

Guys I've noticed there is a large thread on automation dependency running on the Tech Log forum. Don't want to try to police anything but does this (admittedly noteworthy) conversation have the least bit to do with Terms and Endearment?

VeroFlyer 19th January 2016 20:33

787 Course April. Currently 737 rated, 4000 TTL, background regional TP and SH flying. Very Excited to get started!

My main advice for getting through the process is be prepared for every stage and put the work in. It's worth it in the end. Good luck to all!


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