Sign of the times unfortunately, also the fact that “daddy” has made this comment says it all...

Very useful input:hmm:

I came on here primarily to warn others not to fall into this trap that covid created and also any suggestions how to deal with the licencing issue as to expiry of mpl, apart from two very kind answers, I did not expect sarcasm and downright rudeness from some others on here, I thought professional people would be above that but I was wrong !!! I will not be posting on here anymore as all I seem to get apart from a few genuine people is snide remarks.

Maybe he doesn’t know “Daddy” made the comment, maybe Daddy is trying to find out if there is any help he can offer his son who might be very distraught with what’s just happened to him and currently can’t think straight.

I would suggest as others have said, get it converted to a frozen ATPL. Instructor course then get a job teaching which would keep him current in flying and it is enjoyable, however the pay isn’t great and in the current climate jobs maybe few and far between. It’s nothing more than bad luck with the timing. Aviation is generally up and down and we have had unprecedented growth the past 10 years. Good luck and keep the head up.

I must be blind then, I don't see that. That was just an inconsiderate input.

I predict that 25% of cabin crew will be surplus to requirement. I think the loads on most flights will be less than 150 so 4 crew per sector will not be needed. There has been precedent set on redundancy and/or relocation in the past. As much as our pilots wont like it, it is essentially last in first out. Points heavily weighted for length of service other points for training qualifications and points deducted for disciplinary issues. Closures by base will not happen as many have transferred at the behest of the company. If bases are to be closed I expect you will have to take what given and it will be achieved in a manner that is cost neutral to the company.

It's 1 cabin crew for each 50 passenger seats installed if I remember well. So 4 attendants will still be needed even if there are only 10 passengers.

Indeed. Of course they could simply reduce seat numbers and thus reduce the required number of cabin crew. Seeing that there are quite a few Airbus A320 in Dresden to get six seats more, at considerate cost (180 to 186) for the last two years, that seems somewhat counterintuitive.

We've used seat blockers in the past which disable the seat entirely and can be used to reduce the number of required crew. For starters, the plan is not to use the middle seats so right away, that's 1/3rd of the seat capacity down. 156 seat A319 becomes 104. Block another 5 and you only need 2 crew.

How can you block the middle seat without blocking the window seat? The only way would be telling the pax they can't seat there however the seat is still there available so I doubt the authority will ease on the safety regulations for the sake of cost saving for the airlines.

You don’t, they fit perfectly into the middle seat and have cup holders. Access to the window seat is not restricted in any way.

I believe on the Airbus 319 / 320 you can't have less than 3 Cabin Crew even if under 100.

Sorry to hear. Welcome to the airline world. I have witnessed 9 11 and the financial crisis 2008 with a massive downturn, and it took many years until airlines were recruiting again. The severity of this current crisis you can multiply times 10.

The license is valid for one year and pretty useless without hours in type.
21 years and he is not even able to write this himself? At that stage, I was writing to all airlines on my own.

Good luck to your son, the first thing to start is to take responsibility on his own. If he remains strong and resilient, he will eventually find his way
into a flight deck. But this will not be an easy ride.

Larki

You're best talking to the organisations concerned directly. I would avoid this place and its army of armchair experts and doom spreaders that quite frankly know NOTHING! 10 years? Come off it. There is a well known cargo operator currently actively recruiting for 777 pilots.

Times are going to be tough but nobody knows how the landscape will look in a years time.

Hello Larki,

I'm very sorry to hear of your son's plight. But on the other thread I started 'career advice for pilots' on Rumours and News, I've speculated that anyone who hasn't been in a major/legacy carrier for 10 years, or a loco for at least 5 years, is pretty unlikely to ever step into a flight deck again. If we're looking at a 25% ball park reduction in flying traffic over the next 5-10 years, then I don't think my depressing assessment is far off. It's extremely sad, and I feel for all my colleagues.

For someone who's just come out of flight training like your son, it's 125k pounds down the swanny I'm afraid.

Your son needs to think fast and act on his feet to make a plan.

From my other thread

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I know what I'd be doing right now - buying up all the hairdressing/cutting equipment I can possibly get my grubby hands on. Setting up a business plan to strike as soon as the social distancing measures are relaxed and perhaps using, recruiting, or putting on retainer, 100s of hairdressers in the UK with a compelling business model. A national door to door service at a sensible price. Used reliable cars will be going cheap too to equip the fleet. Learn to cut hair in the mean time myself.

Go absolutely ballistic once the social distancing measures are relaxed. There's no way that the current number of hairdressers in the UK will even be able to keep up with even 25% of the demand they'll have in the first 3-6 months of recovery. There will be a massive backlog. Good luck trying to book in to get your barnet cut any time soon.

Then use the profits you've made from this venture, and the business experience gained to open more doors. Perhaps simultaneously get a degree in business or something even more left field like Engineering, with the profits you've just drummed up. And away you go.

But sadly, as I alluded to in the opening of this thread - anyone with less than 10 years flying at a major airline or 5 years at a loco probably won't ever see the inside of the flight deck again. It's very sad and I feel for all my colleagues.

Swallow that pill, act fast, and forget about the flying career.

I started flying in the 90s, went through the Asian Crisis, 9/11, SARS and the GFC of 2008... and this one will be an order of magnitude of 10 of all those previous inconveniences COMBINED. And my good friends who were in the wrong place at the wrong place had there careers set back 5-10 years even with those (now minor) hiccups in the road. This one............

As you’ve said by your own admission it’s pure speculation, and your figure of a 25% reduction for 10 years has been pulled completely from thin air.

As others have said Larki, the people on here will be able to give you little helpful advice. Talk with EasyJet and the training provider once this has all blown over a bit to see what options you have with licence conversion, and ask the CAA about length of validity. Unfortunately your son won’t be the only one in this boat.

Good luck

Now everyone knows how will situation on market look like but one month ago they didn't know this crisis was going to hit that severe.

Truth is that covid 19 caused much bigger impact on aviation industry and tourism in general comparing to any other crisis we had so far but no one can predict how long will it take until next recruitment.

I guess first airlines to start expanding or recruiting will be in Asia, but let's wait and see what will happen.

Anyway, you will always have airlines like Ryanair looking for young and 200h cadet so they can shape him in way they want than someone with 2000-3000h FO who will adopt harder to new procedures and airline policy...

And there lies the rub

I may be a failed airline pilot but whatever advice I have ever given has been irrelevant from the moment mum and pop turn up at the ’Flyer Live Show’ and listen to the 'Industry Insider’ or the 'Aviation Expert’

However I was around post 1992 (ERM), 2003 (9/11)* and again 2008 when again the market tanked due to the bankers. I’ve seen CABAIR come and go and go and i've known people to lay down 80 Grand on the Friday to the Pilot Training College only for them to go bust on the following Monday**. I can also relate to chemotheraphy and radiotheraphy and trying to make a living without a medical.

So to be honest your not warning us of anything. Who you need to warn are the young kids being suckered in by the marketing machine.The MPL is a lemon and you brought it.

What your lad does have going for him is youth and ATPL theory passes. Sadly the MPL isn’t worth much at the moment and I’m not a sure the industry needs another 200 hour fATPL holder either.

Any flying like glider towing is out of the question unless you have some gliding experience. So I would suggest adding an SEP rating to the MPL build some hours and then do a FI course. Then try an find some weekend work. When the market picks up attempt the CPL and IR skills test. Sadly the average 70 hour MPL holder can’t even do a balanced turn so you looking at a significant amount of cost if you went straight to the CPL or IR.

Just to show I do have some Integrity if you can track me down I’ll wave the examiner fee for the SEP skills test***. Perhaps you could ring your MPL provider and see if they will do the same?

* Not really I didn’t have a medical

* Believe it or not but 3 months later this person laid down another 100 grand for an MPL. Sadly they have just been made redundant but lucky they do now have an ATPL.

** You can thank the person that did this for me many years ago

The truth is no one knows where the industry will be be in 12 months’ time. We can take educated guesses but that’s all they are. Larki, I would go with those recommending you contact the relevant organisations directly although I would imagine at this stage, right now, they won’t have many answers.

If I were your son I would look to immediately find a job, any job, to get some money coming in. The priority is to put bread on the table, and if that means driving a Tesco delivery van around, so be it. That buys time, which is what you need in order to work out the next steps.

Your son has obviously had some bad luck (to put it mildly) but now is the time for him to show he has the resilience to get through this one way or the other. It’s bad times for sure, but we will all get through this. It’s not the end of the world !

If I have understood what operator you're talking about, you need to be fluent in German.