So no movement of the goal posts then?
This is what was said at the beginning!

As 100% and Honiley say, its all so tawdry for a FTSE100 Company.

Looking from the outside in, the whole approach leaves an uber sour taste in ones mouth on what is already a caustic subject.

I give it a 1/10.

:eek:

As someone who has been vocal on these forums about the whole cancer of pay to fly, flexi crew etc etc I can confirm everything AdM has said.

There is NO one year contract then "maybe" a perm position. If you start as a Flexi for the 12 month period then you are on a career path now that will only stop because of something you do dangerously or stupidly. The first 12 months is a probation period, and all of this is now with the involvement of BALPA.

I can understand the concern, I find it hard to trust what EasyJet says at times, that there may just be a whole load of 12 months guys in and out and no one going further than that, but I just do not believe it now, the training costs and risks to the operation are just to big. Progress (some) has definitely been made thanks to the full involvement of the BALPA members in EasyJet to end the shameful over use of the flexi crew pilot at EasyJet. I do wonder myself if the regulator ( ha ), the insurers and maybe the shareholders also were putting pressure on the company to change its ways, but regardless with a lot of pushing, it has been achieved. The result is far from perfect but it is a lot better than what was on the table before. There has been a desire on the companies part to engage with it's pilots on this, probably because someone at Luton saw that BALPA was getting all it's ducks in a row to escalate this dispute if common sense could not be found and many, but not all, of the BALPA campaign aims have been achieved in the NEC.

But you do have to look at what you can get for yourself here, I was looking at the Base transfer lists the other day and on that you can see First Officers who have been CPI'd, this means they are in the process for command selection, some of them were 14 when 9-11 happened! We are now in the deepest depression some would say since after the great war, after 9-11 I was struggling to keep my just gained Turbo prop job and the pain that experienced guys were going through then was incredible and just seeing that in such a short space of time we have guys who were teenagers when 9-11 happened sitting on the CPI list waiting their chance at being in command of a jet and staring at a £100K+ package in the UK puts the 12 months as a flexi pilot with a GUARANTEED permanent position after that in sharp focus, for me at least, against a ghastly real world financial situation in which airlines are not struggling to find pilots.

We can have the Instructing/air taxi, glider tug/turbo prop/regional - jet job vs cadet route all we want, I have my opinion about that and others will have theirs about which way is "best" but the lost potential income when you go down the old route that can/did take many years, coupled with all the uncertainty, before you ever touched a jet and descent salary compared with the financial pain here, to find yourself looking at a laid out career path in EasyJet that will have you as an SFO on a 5354 roster pattern in 4 years and looking at joining that CPI list at around the same time is a very stark comparison.

This is not perfect, and as I said before, I am very vocal and active in condemning the way in which easyjet treats its young new pilots for a whole variety of reasons, but many, not all, of my objections have been laid to rest in the New, New entrant Contract for brand new, very low hours pilots joining our ranks and I hope that the company has learnt a bit of a lesson on how it deals with us as employees, but the jury remains firmly out on that one, as there are other battles than just this one that go on inside EasyJet for those of us already here.

The, as yet, unanswered question is how, and where, the badly needed experienced pilots joining us will slot into the new structure, if their experience is not appropriately recognized then we will miss out on the talent pool that we really want to attract, ex military, ex regional pilots with many thousands of valuable hours of experience in their log book, pilots with experience of multiple types and operators bringing a larger view to the EasyJet world. If we are not careful our target pilots will not be willing to join us on such poor terms, and our "experienced" recruits will all be ex flexi pilots with 2000 hours of airbus 320 time and not much else in their log books.

Direct entry pilots with valuable experience should, IMHO, slot straight in as SFO's and at worst under the old TRSS scheme if not type rated, better yet, lets bond people and we will attract the best candidates, when financing type ratings is not part of the selection procedure.

Lastly, the New, New entrant contract (NNEC?) puts everyone as an employee after 12 months in the UK, which puts each one of those pilots into the BALPA bargaining group. Future improvements can be negotiated now with a strong UNION behind it, and I should certainly hope that each person receiving a NNEC is, or becomes, a member as it is thanks to the current membership, and it has to be said, mainly Captains, who could have taken the "this contract does not effect me" stance that improvements, imperfect as they may be, have been achieved.

EasyJet is a low cost airline, and conducts in business in that hard nosed way, it is far from perfect, but there is not a lot better out there at the moment in the UK at least without substantial risk associated with it. I applaud the way in which Monarch approaches its pilot recruitment, employment and employee negotiations with BALPA, and I wish them nothing but success as they branch out, but to be honest I think EasyJet offers more Job security, right now, than Monarch does and in an uncertain world, job security is pretty high up my list. I may be wrong, time will tell.

@EZYDRIVER

AMEN!

As ezydriver has said, this is a genuine opportunity to get a permanent job at easyJet from Day One. Yesterday we announced a $10 Billion order for new aircraft (list prices - no doubt we paid less) and have as bright a future as any airline I know of. There is no doubt the first 4 years are not that well paid, but nor are they a disaster and the terms are there for all to see. If you cannot afford to come here then don't, but if you want genuine job security, inasmuch as that exists in the airline industry, then this is a great place to be. It is not perfect, but I would struggle to name one airline that is. The New Entrant Contract, warts and all, was years overdue and put to death a massive and shameful injustice at easyJet. As ezydriver alluded to, BALPA were sizing up for a massive dispute and the Company wisely went for a deal. Both parties had to give ground but both also gained massively. There are indeed other battles to face but the key one has been won. You can now come here knowing exactly what you will get and I hope those that do go onto have a great career with us.

Assessment
 

Now that we seem to have got most of the moaning out of the way, does anyone care to discuss how EJ might go about running the assessment day?

I for one am very keen to work for the company and from what I gather there are not that many of us through to this stage so perhaps we can pool thoughts together in the hope that we can all do our best on the day!!

I have no contacts at EJ but am willing to take a few guesses as to what might happen on the day.

First I would guess that we will be required to repeat some of the tests taken online, it seems odd that they would let that be their only chance at gathering aptitude data since anyone could have done it for you.

Second, Group exercises? Possibly similar to what has been done for FlyDubai at CTC?

The interview itself, TMAAT questions I would guess, related to how we did on the personality questions and the scenario questions. They might be looking to probe areas that were assessed as weak during those tests?

Sim Check. 737 or A320? Are there any Simulators at Luton, will it be the day after or come back at a later date for the sim check.

Any info/thoughts peeps???

Getting bored of all this moaning:ugh::ugh::ugh:

There are no full flight simulators at Luton.
I *think* there's an Airbus sim at Gatwick and Amsterdam.

More qualified folks will confirm this for you. :)

The sim is at Burgess Hill.

any non-typed folk heard anything further?

any typed folk been for an assessment yet? Any feedback as to what to expect?

Regards

No news here.

Non TR.Military.

Not heard anything, Non TR

Think there was a tech question paper last time they recruited for TRSS as well

Any thoughts?

I think successful applicants will find that the contract terms offered will reflect what they bring to the party. If they are experienced jet operators with in excess of 2500 eJ factored jet hours and type-rated they will probably be offered direct entry SFO. If, on the other hand, they are not type-rated, have only flown turbo-props and have barely 1000hrs they should expect to be offered Flexi SO/FO. The terms will be the NEC but the joining point will vary depending on an individual's experience.

The recruiters are not daft. They know that if the offer is strictly Flexi-crew into SO then FO then they will not attract experienced, type-rated pilots.

My source is reasonably reliable.

Apart from pay and T&C, what is the difference between a SO and a FO? I take it SO on EZY is not the same as SO on CX?

In other words, are SOs fully type rated and doing all the duties of a FO?

Not that it makes any difference to me. I'll still take it if it gets offered. I'm just curious.

(Me: DTC but nowt so far. Non TR, experienced <10T)

I'm ex-military, non-TR with DTC several weeks ago and have just received a well done but you have not reached the necessary standards email. Sounds very similar to the emails sent out last week for TR qualified applicants.

Good to luck to those still in the melting pot

Yes. It couldn't be otherwise. It's a just a rank that people will pass through quite quickly.

Same as Swept...
Mil, Non-TR, said they are sorry.
Probably had collected sufficient TR, or mysterious criterias.. Who knows?!

Sorry to hear that swept. It seems very cruel of them to change their mind. Still nothing here, civi non-rated.

Thanks TransitionL. I'm lucky that I am still in a very good job but just wanting to move into the airline world ASAP. Holding out for the Aer Lingus and Dragonair application now!

It's probably worth noting that my email was titled "First Officer - Non-type rated (military) (V2)-01512 - Result of Application‏" so clearly they are moving through their different application categories.

Good luck to all

Civi Non TR here to, nothing heard yet either.

Good luck to all those looking elsewhere. Seems a very cruel process this one!

I'm in the DTC Mil melting pot too but heard nothing yet since the DTC.
Swept- out of interest did you have an EJ recommend?