Let me say from the outset that I am not in the training section but am an ordinary line pilot. I have no idea what they are after this time in terms of experience. All I can say is that last time around there was a mix of new joiners. Some were A320 rated but most not. The majority were integrated (Oxford and a few Jerez) but also a fair share of modular to. The rated people had a varied spread of hours from the bare minimum through to some with command time on big buses. There were also a bunch of Aer Arran, Cityjet, FR and corporate jet. Again some of them had command and/or instructor time and many thousands of hours. Others were just in the door at those outfits and wanted to get out.

Whilst many looking in from the outside would think that everyone at AL is off a cadet scheme this is not the case. Over the years there have been lots of direct entrys that have a varied background from thousands of hours on light singles, military through to TP and other jet operators.

Logic would dictate that there would be a mix of people hired purely from the simple standpoint that we only have 1 A320 sim and the training department wouldn't be able to cope with running full conversion courses, ZFTT, base training etc. It is already stretched with pre command courses and A330 conversions nevermind the usual ongoing training. Bet hey what would I know I am only applying logic. And unfortunately if your lucky to get in then logic has no bearing on how anything in Aer Lingus works:)

I think a lot of people thought they had it in the bag with getting an interview with BA Cityflyer with the level of experience they had (myself included).

The problem is we don't know what they after after and unless we apply we will never know whether we are a suitable applicant or not.

The one saving grace with this application form it's not too long winded and asking for sole searching questions unlike the other stupid application forms one has to complete in order to get a PFO!

I like the way they state that if they receive huge quantities of applications they will take into account their stated 'desirable competencies', and then give you nowhere on the form a chance to say whether you possess said competencies. Irish logic?

It says they will take into account "Desirable criteria" which is A320 rated or multi crew experience. Not key competencies.

Aer lingus form
 

On the application form for Aer Lingus, in the flying hours section there is a column F/E time can anyone tell me what this is cheers

That would be Flight Engineer(panel bashers, sideways flyers or Systems Pilots) time for those of you old enough to remember B727/747 L1011s and Dc-10s and 8s and a few military things. I expect they dusted off an old application form for the "hours" part. Good luck to all who apply. It is still a nice place to work mainly due to those you will be sitting beside for those long work days!

The one and only Ray O'Shea and you're feckin better looking brother, owe the young Irish Wannabee pilots the truth as to how the system worked way back when you were handed your careers on a silver platter! The system could be well verified by the infamous Barney Croghan or Donal Foley, and the one and only true 'Neanderthal' Joe Cull if they could give a flying FK. Moriarity and his bum buddy Paddy Morrisey would love to enter into this conversation, as they have ALOT to add ( ESP since Paddy's son was passed over at ALT and subsequently had to join FR to 'get in'....But Morrisey never did have the balls and always played second fiddle to Terry Mc Neil ( a true gentleman may I add)
I would however like to now take this opportunity to mention the true gentlemen behind the scenes, like Sean McGirl, and the wee fella with the glasses'. Now is your time to speak up and tell the world how things really worked in the back rooms at the ALT hiring Dept.( or any other dept. come to mention it) You're all mostly retired now, so what do you have to lose in telling the truth.....most of you were f'd over anyways for most of your careers and thank God most of you got your own back by joining PARC c/o Tim Shattock ( as long as you could put up with his EGO to make back the few bob ALT made on tour backs....While you put up with the !!!!e you did not deserve.

getting late, rant over for now......feels good getting it of the chest though.....more to come......the truth always rises to the surface!!!

Isn 't that right R.O.........Sweet Dreams

Has everyone who has applied received an aknowldegment that theyve received our CVs?

It must be John Barleycorn and I expect I'll be banned for that.

I just heard that EI have started the interview process...is this true? and if so can anyone give a run down of the format or the questions asked this time around?

sour sour grapes............you obviously ended up as a career blue room merchant.

Retiring at 50 c/o C.M.........Grapes, oh yes....and plenty of them here in Tuscany....Contemplating how good life has been at ALT....
Again I will take my time to tell all of you contemplating the move here to EIRE.....Do your Due Diligence......The skippers here are all very young and must now all work to 65 given the new rules........If this is where you want to be then certainly come home, but it will be an all together different world ( airline) then the one I was hired into and the one I was describing in my previous post.....Bearcat obviously did not make the cut way back when but good luck to him now.
B400 me arse

Any indication of terms and conditions?
Or the breakdown of a320 rated/cadets/guys non 320 jet time?!

Anyone know a workaround for the PDF thats on the site and can't type into it? Is there a way to make it accessible to type my form in and email - probably looks more professional.

BA777

That's exactly what I did. I used NitroPDF to edit the file and then sent it on its way, but I'm sure there are more applications out there. It's a bit tricky to fumble around with but it works and looks neat.


Cheers,
drfaust

Guys,

I also edited the Application and Sent as PDF, however had this:

Please resubmit your application for First Officer as the format it was sent in is not readable.

It mad me Laugh as what Airline HR Department can't read or receive PDF files??

I resubmitted as PDF, lets see what happens?

:ugh:

I'd imagine that they'll start contacting applicants soon enough as they'll want to have the new intake trained up and out on the lines by the end of March.

I have had some problem with the .pdf file. I can't write down on it, so I sent all the 8 pages via standard mail.

I don't have heard anything from them since now. Have you received something?

NC :zzz:

Application
 

I did it the old fashioned way (ish) by printing it out, filling it in with my neatest handwriting and scanning it back in as a PDF file. I sent it by email and within an hour I had received an email confirming reciept of my application.

Londoncalling2009.... i would either re-submit or give them a call or email asking them to confirm reciept. Would do no harm i reckon.

Burger81

fo pay scale for dublin
 

anyone know what the pay is for a dublin based first officer?
not the uk terms but the irish contract terms?
Also how long to command

You won't last p!ssin time the way you put away the gin.....best of luck in your retirement I'd say the money won't last long:{

kind rgds B

The IMF are knocking. Just wait 'til they get the foot properly in the door in downtown Dublin. One of the first acts will be to force the sale of all State assetts - a common prescription for other countries they've 'assisted'.
The remaining 29% (or whatever) of Government Shares in EI will soon hit the market. Guess who's waiting to snap them up!

http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uplo..._1208663i1.jpg

Could prove a very short lived adventure for the Ryanair Refugees.....

Is anybody else having difficulty with the following critical part of the application? I heard it is even more important than having a A-320 rating.

Uncle Wiggily,

I thought it was mandatory for an A320 rating :E

I HOPE YOU ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! I REALLY HOPE YOU ARE!

IF THIS HAPPENS, AND RUTHLESS; GREEDY; STAFF-HATING; O'LEARY GETS HIS SHARE, THE AVIATION INDUSTRY IS TRULY AND UTTERLY :mad:!

With regard the English Proficiency requirement - not come across this before - English is my mother tongue, JAR issued licence but no mention of a 'Level' just says "Language Proficiency: English" on my licence.... do I still need an ELPT certificate?

Muchos gracias!

VFE.

Hi there,

I had that too so I asked one of the guys I work with and he said that the hightest level is 6 so thats what I filled in...

Hey guys,
Just curious what are the chances of getting the Washington Dulles base if you are able to live and work in the United States? I have a US and EU passport.
I am currently working for a European airline but wouldn't mind heading back the the US.
I am not type rated on the Airbus but I have 2000+ hours of 4 engine jet time. Thanks in advance.

Thanks REDARROW777.

VFE.

Imagination
 

hey Mavrick 777

I truly am with you but my friend the IMF will sell off as much as it can and shamrock will be pretty high on the list. "oh but the EU wont let it" me arse they they dont have a say the end of the Shamrock is nigh my friend......

None I`m afraid as the 330 nor Dulles are on offer. After a few years maybe, if the base is still around. Sorry!

Pat

Re A330, Dulles and any other base
 

You need to understand that AL is a seniority based airline. That means that in order to change fleets, seats or bases you need to have in a bid and for it to be accepted by the company. These are taken purely in seniority order at the time the bid closes out. If someone ahead of you on the seniority list doesn't want to bid for something then your number may well come up. There are also base freezes which the company imposes on you.

The only exception to the rule is when it is in the interests of the company to drop any freezes to fill up seats.

I would hazard a guess that the Dulles base is now over a year old. There was very little interest in anyone moving across at first as generally the T&C's were extremely poor, particularly on the FO side. The company went down as far as the most junior FO on the ROI seniority list before it got the numbers it needed. There are rumours of a 2nd aircraft going in there shortly. We don't know whether this will be filled by ROI pilots or if UAL will get to fly it. Another unknown is how many FO's would now consider shifting to the US in order to get 330 time and get away from the recession and quite possibly the mother of all budgets looming. Taxes could quite well become prohibitive in Ireland with the IMF in town. It would be generally fair to say that morale is low amongst the FO's with very very long time to commands coupled with poor pay and conditions and continuous industrial relations strife hanging over their heads. Therefore getting on the 330 in order to improve your CV could well be seen as a sensible way out for many. Time will tell.

Unfortunately your US visa is worth nought unless your seniority number comes up.

Could and Would are different things.
These are extreme times - the future of the EU hangs in the balance. The Germans and French have a LOT of money tied up in Ireland and would like it paid back. Their taxpayers are sick of bailing out the stupid Paddies.If it isn't, they won't be bailing out the next PIIG to go sick.
High ideals about 'competition' were fine when Europe was awash with money.
Not anymore.
Reality bites.

Has anyone had an invite yet? I know the deadline for applications still has a couple of few weeks left but someone mentioned earlier that some people have been invited already. Any truth in these rumours?

+1 anyone contacted or invited?!

Best rgds

Interviews taking place as we speak. Case of waiting now to see who's lucky enough to get called!

Any chance for unrated low-timers ?

Irishone. Do they intend to see it out till the 10th December, or have they selected all the people they want to see at this time? Thanks

I don't know to be honest SW1. I'm in the same boat as everyone else looking for an interview! They are interviewing unrated low hour people though...

Question is, what about rated people? im sure they are not short on applications with "desirable criteria". Where are you hearing the info about NTR low houred guys? Has your FTO submitted guys or something or another grapevine thing? Cheers