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Monarch Airlines
Hiya folks
Does anybody know if Monarch are recruiting this winter. |
Heard about 10 positions going on A320 in Manc. The catch is they want type rated people to go on a permanent but part year contract, probably 8 on 4 off. It's this or they will just call CTC
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The union will push for a 9 on 3 off contract for 84% pay of a full time F/O. This is still yet to be decided and confirmed but 9 on 3 off sounds like a good option knowing how hard they work at Manch.
In anticipation of it being the next question a FULL TIME F/O starting pay is: £47305. I therefore make a 9 on 3 off contract worth £39736pa and the 8 on 4 off option is approx £3200pa less. |
If they were/ever to go with non TR pilots do they bond or expect you to pay for it?
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3 year linear decreasing bond of 18k I think :-s
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Am I reading that correctly......9 on 3 off.....84% salary.....:confused:
I thought Monarch was one of the 'other' airlines! :eek: |
Lifestyle?
Can anyone shed any light on the lifestyle per month/week during the 9 months on?
days of per month Sectors/day Nightstops etc. |
9 months On / 3 months Off
It's different to a part time contract in that you will still be contracted to 90 flying hours per 28 days (100 if you choose to do overtime/day off working payments, DOWP for F/O = £412). 2 Sector days. F/O Sector pay = £4.15 per Block Hour PLUS F/O Duty pay = £2.85 per Duty Hour 3 consecutive early starts as a maximum but this can be split by an 0700 start. An Early Start Duty commences in the period 0500 to 0659 hours local time. 2 consecutive night duties as a maximum. A duty is a Night Duty if any part of that duty falls within the period 0200 to 0459 hours local time. Variable roster, no fixed pattern. Can expect to do 4 or 5 on with 2 off OR 6 on with 3 off. If on a day off you have to finish duty by 2100L the night before and cannot start before 0800L the day after. Days off only count towards the monthly 10 days off if they are in blocks of 2 days together. Basically ZERO nightstops. |
If your in the pool but do not have a rating is there any chance over ctc
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If I understand correctly, you may end up working 810 hours per year. ( 9 x 90) which is 90% of the legal maximum for 84% of the salary?
That's ignoring any leave; assuming it's 75% of the full time entitlement pro-rata? Are there leave day payments? |
Here a copy of the current pilots agreement - I think the 8 on 4 off OR 9 on 3 off option will be lifted directed from this:
MONARCH AIRLINES AGREEMENT TO VARY THE STATEMENT OF TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF EMPLOYMENT FOR PILOTS TO INCORPORATE ARRANGEMENTS FOR PART-YEAR WORKING PREAMBLE 1. Part-year working will be on a voluntary basis and provides an opportunity for Pilots to work full-time during the summer months (May to October inclusive) and to take unpaid leave in the winter months. As an incentive for Pilots to take up the scheme, remuneration will be higher than it would be had it been pro-rated according to the duration of part-year leave taken. Additionally, remuneration will be spread evenly throughout the 12 month period, the reduced salary commencing during the first month of part-year leave. The minimum period of working part-year will be 12 months including a complete summer season. 2. There will be five available options: 7 On 5 Off Option comprising a seven month full-time period which will include the months of May to October inclusive and a five month continuous period selected from the months November to April inclusive. Remuneration will be 70% of full-time pay throughout the 12 month period. 8 On 4 Off Option comprising an eight month full-time period which will include the months of May to October inclusive and a four month continuous period selected from the months November to April inclusive. Remuneration will be 77.3% of full-time pay throughout the 12 month period. 9 On 3 Off Option comprising a nine month full-time period which will include the months of May to October inclusive and a three month continuous period selected from the months November to April inclusive. Remuneration will be 84% of full-time pay throughout the 12 month period. 10 On 2 Off Option comprising a ten month full-time period which will include the months of May to October inclusive and a two month continuous period selected from the months November to April inclusive. Remuneration will be 90% of full-time pay throughout the 12 month period. Alternate month option for Pilots electing to take option (iii) or (iv) above they may also request to split the off period and work alternate month-on month-off. If this option is approved the off months must be selected from November, January and March. 8. LEAVE (a) Pilots working within the provisions of this Agreement shall be entitled to the following amounts of leave to be taken within the working period of their Part- Year Working Year: (i) 7 On 5 Off Option:18 Days (ii) 8 On 4 Off Option: 20 Days (iii) 9 On 3 Off Option: 23 Days (iv) 10 On 2 Off Option: 25 Days (of which 8 shall be in lieu of Bank and Public Holidays), with pay during each year of service, to be taken at such time or times (not being of less than one week's duration each) as may be mutually agreed between the Company and the Pilot, except that at 10 days of this annual leave shall be granted in the summer period, which for the purposes of these conditions shall be from the week commencing the first Saturday in May to the week commencing the second Saturday in October. Leave must be taken in 5 day blocks (with two days off attached to both ends of each block). Days that are left over must be attached to winter leave or can be attached to the start or end of the PYW block. If the Pilot and the Company agree that the Pilot will take one week less summer leave the Pilot will be entitled to take the week and an extra weeks’ leave in the following winter. This extra leave is not a normal entitlement and cannot be carried forward from one leave year to another. 9. PAYMENT DURING SICKNESS OR DISABILITY Payment during sickness and during disability other than disability arising out of an accident shall be made for the periods laid down in Schedule 'B'. The maximum entitlements to payments of salary during periods of sickness or disablement will include both the working months and the part-year leave months. UNIFIED ANNUAL SALARY SCALE Pilots working within the provisions of this Agreement will receive: (i) 7 On 5 Off Option: 70.0% (ii) 8 On 4 Off Option: 77.3% (iii) 9 On 3 Off Option: 84.0% (iv) 10 On 2 Off Option: 90.0% of the rates of pay detailed in Schedule A, as amended, appropriate to their Grade,Scale and Rank. 2. FLYING HOURS The salary scales in paragraph 1 above are associated with the following restrictions on flying hours: (i) The maximum annual flying hours specified in the Company’s Scheme for the Regulation of Flight Times for Pilots working under the provisions of this Agreement shall be as follows: (a) 7 On 5 Off Option: 525 hours (b) 8 On 4 Off Option: 600 hours (c) 9 On 3 Off Option: 675 hours (d) 10 On 2 Off Option: 750 hours (ii) The maximum flying hours per rolling 28 day period specified in the Company's Scheme for the Regulation of Flight Times for Pilots working under the provisions of this Agreement shall be 90 hours. The 90 hour restriction shall not apply to any Pilots who have flown less than 26 sectors in the rolling 28-day period. 3. DAYS OFF AT ASSIGNED OR TEMPORARY BASE Refer to the Pilot Scheduling Agreement for details of entitlement to Days Off. During the part-year leave period, the Company will not require the Pilot to undertake any duties, except due to unforeseen circumstances where an unplanned or delayed duty extends beyond the planned start of the part-year leave period. In this event compensating Days Off will be allocated at the end of the part-year leave abutting the leave period, except by mutual agreement with the Pilot. OTHER MISCELLANEOUS CHANGES Death in Service Benefit For all Pilots who are members of the Defined Contribution Pension Scheme or in receipt of the supplementary payment for Pilots aged 55 and over, this will be at the rate of 4 times the annual full-time salary appropriate to the individual’s grade, scale and rank. For Pilots who commenced permanent employment on or after 1 November 2004 and who are not members of the Defined Contribution Pension Scheme, this will be at the rate of 1 times the annual full-time salary appropriate to the individual’s grade, scale and rank. Payment for Day Off Working Pilots are not permitted to nominate days within their part-year leave period as Flexi Days. However, exceptionally the Company may request that a Pilot works within his part-year leave block. In this case for each day worked the Pilot will receive a Day Off Working Payment according to the rules given in the Scheduling Agreement AND a Day Off in lieu in the following working part of the part-leave year. Part-Year Leave Periods The available part-year leave periods are as follows (all dates inclusive): 1. 7 On 5 Off Option:1 November – 31 March 1 December – 30 April 2. 8 On 4 Off Option:1 November – 28 February 1 December – 31 March 1 January – 30 April 3. 9 On 3 Off Option:1 November – 31 January 1 December – 28 February 1 January – 31 March 1 February – 30 April 4. 10 On 2 Off Option:1 November – 31 December 1 December – 31 January 1 January – 28 February 1 February – 31 March 1 March – 30 April 5. Alternate Months Option Any Pilot opting for the 9/3 or 10/2 option may request to take the time off in alternate months at the discretion of the Company. The working months must include;December February |
Sounds like some great deals available, much better than many being offered or forced!!
Not sure how impressed management will be with you have published the Current pilots agreement for the world to see!!! |
Who cares what management thinks, it's an us and them industry, always has been.:E
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I've only published the bits that will be of interest to the potential new joiners/recruits. There are no secrets in there and nothing that is commercially sensitive.
Like I said earlier I am purely speculating that they will make any recruitment offers on the current PYW options that are in place for the work force. If the PYW option seems attractive to people who are wishing to apply, and the management get bums on seats under their terms to fly their aircraft then I very much doubt they will mind the information being made available to people. |
Hey Guys,
Any ideas on the min experience on type that they are looking for? Regards! |
The best thing to do is keep an eye out on the website for details. The application form will be electronic and online as the company no longer accepts C.V's.
In the past they have asked for 2500 hours TT or 500 hours on a company aircraft type. I have no idea what the minimum requirements will be this time round. Good luck as and when - It is a good company to work for and has a fantastic bunch of people to work with. |
Thank you!
All the best! |
Any full time Monarch pilots on here that can answer the following...
What is the take home pay with everything included/tax deducted? How long is command in Monarch at the moment? How long is it until Mixed fleet flying is available? Thanks |
Freedom of Information
Not sure how impressed management will be with you have published the Current pilots agreement for the world to see!!! People ask questions at interview about this or that in the contract. If management thought they were such a great company to work for they could supply this information to the interviewee and save both parties some time. I suspect however that anyone one asking for such information might be viewed with some suspicion, but why ? |
Monarch.
During the late 1990's I operated many flights subservice for Monarch with L1011 aircraft, on an as needed basis. From what I could see of their operations, they were very professional in every respect (especially their dispatch department)...first calss folks. |
MFF??!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
a new joiner now would be waiting over 20-25 yrs to fly mix fleet! Command 10 (if your lucky) -15yrs (more likely) Of course this could all change if there was a massive fleet order... wouldn't bet on it though |
haha! I guessed so! Don't suppose you know what the monthly take home pay is in year 1 at all do you (roughly)? I'm talking about say a 70-80hr month as average.
ta |
There is a new Head of Pilot Management in position now so the interview process may change, it used to be a fairly informal affair.
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Recruitment isn't the Head of Pilot Managements domain. It used to be Deputy Chief Pilots remit but I understand it now falls under the new Head of Trainings responsibility. The gentleman in question has sat on the top floor for many years and has been involved in recruitment for as long as I can remember. Like most things in Monarch I can't see the process changing over night and the current recruitment is likely to be subject to the previous format.
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So where do folks in the pool stand, starting to drown
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Type of q's asked when I joined spotty M (many years ago) all pointed to one thing- Could I sit in the same office as you for 8 hours and not be bored by you!
Seriously - a lot of recent Management and training posts have been interviewed for and HR have got their claws into them so don't be surprised if reasoning and HR type questions appear this year. So be prepared! However it goes - good luck, despite some of it's failings (and increasingly intensive rostering) it is still one of the happiest company's to work for. |
Sorry chaps. Am I missing something? Seems to be a whole 2 page thread on Monarch recruitment however when I look on their website it states that there is a "recruitment freeze" for pilots. Is there actually any recruitment or is this all speculation?
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What interviews??
No application form to fill out on website, or are you just hoping?? |
Rumour has it that the recruitment has all been done via word of mouth!
The 10 or so pilots they are looking at taking onto the 9/3 contracts, will be type rated pilots, then Ctc cadets if they cannot get enough TR pilots. I guess it guys and girls who know someone in the company, or happened to send their cv in at the right time, and they are airbus rated! Nothing appeared on the company website, I check nearly every day but nothing has changed in months! Would give me right nut to work for Monarch in EGCC, but 2200TT and Boeing rated I won't stand a chance! Congrats and good luck to everyone going for interviews! |
How easy is it to change between bases once you are in Monarch? Also I asked previously, but just wondering what the realistic time to command is at MON
Ta |
Base transfers are usually accomplished after couple of years service. And its usually the CTC guys who are asking for the transfers as they are not given a choice on joining. However as stated above this years intake are going to MAN for sure. Previously on your application form you had two choices to make. My course of 17 people were all assigned their 1st choice. But that was when Monarch was expanding. Which brings me onto the 2nd question. The last person to get a command completed 3yrs service. But as expansion has halted you're looking at 7-10 yrs.
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doesnt look like there was any recruitment
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Why do you say that? - I understand some offers went out yesterday!
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Great Airline. Had 16 happy years with them albeit a while back. Long may they continue in their quiet no nonsense fashion.
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ATC83, here we go some of your questions answered, take home pay depends on if you pay into the company pension or not. You have to put in 8.3% of your salary to get a 12.5% contribution from the company. If you put in 10% your take home pay in year one would be about £2800 per month depending on how many flights you did. Even working your tits off you will struggle to to break 3k a month.
Time to command and long haul on the 330 is a moveable feast, five years ago guys were getting onto the long haul fleet within 18 months of joining and as previously stated time to command came down to three years. However with the recession no one has been taken on in the last three years or so and combined with the retirement age increasing to 65 it means there is just no movement in the company, the old boys are onto a good thing and no one can blame them for staying. As a result time to command has gone to about 10 years and Mixed fleet flying is anyones guess. This will all change though as when the market picks up there will always be a batch of FO's who will leave for the legacy airlines, the company will get extra aircraft and all of a sudden you're into a phase of expansion. So I'd say keep positive and keep applying. It's still a good place to work, mainly though due to the guys and gals that work there. |
so i take it nothing was advertised and it was all word of mouth, as ive been checking flight int., MON webste and pprune for weeks!!:\
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I suspect it has spam as they've been talking about the 10-12 joining next year for quite some time so I rekkon they've already been selected, vetted and signed on for next spring, hence no obvious recruitment.
But, Monarch is down one aircraft from summer 08 and the existing crews were very stretched this summer, there is no doubt that there aren't really enough pilots to fill the program, there have been a record number of day off payments this year and no end of flights in the peak weeks weren't crewed till the 11th hour. I think the company are waiting to see what the bookings look like for next year before they decide whether they need the 31st aircraft back on the fleet and the pilots to fly it. I don't think i'd be shot down by anyone for saying that Monarch will never lead the way in preparing for an upturn, they will only react to it. It is coming however and there will be a requirement for new blood, it was not that long ago that they were taking guys with 600 hours on a dash 8, so even if you're not type rated on the 320, don't worry times will change. |
Arrestahook, cheers for that update looks like the previous swimmers have been taken out of the pool to dry off and rightly so i guess....good luck to them:ok:
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Thanks Arrestahook
Some very useful info! One thing I notice is that everyone seems pretty happy in MON - these forums are full of moaners in every airline but it seems MON must be good cause I can't find any on here!:ok: The £2800 you mention - is that on these new 9/3 contracts or is that for a full time wage? Thanks |
I believe offers have been sent/acknowledged to the lucky few who will be joining us in March next year on the a320/1 fleet @ MAN
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