Serenity - as I've said before, please god no!

I think we all need to calm down. Why so much vitriol?
We are well paid for flying turbo props, have a look at Loganair
or Eastern, we are well above their rates. We are not easyjet,
if you want easyjet salaries then do as JA did and join them!
But I would go as far as to say our culture is far better than
what you will find in the orange order.
If I can just comment on those who think we should get the
same as the directors, well that is a red herring. And don't
believe all the hogwash you hear about directors salaries/
share options.
Anyway, I digress, it is up to the Balpa members (in itself
unfair as not the full workforce), but be sure you understand
what you will be unleashing should you vote against. This
has dragged on long enough, put an end to it now and regroup
in 2 years time when the economy is on the up and a much
better deal will ensue.
I commend the motion to the house.

We'll look less of a good buy with a workforce wracked with industrial action!

As to the offer, if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. A big no from me.

BA - yes please
 

You mean you don't want to be taken over by BA whose pilots are amongst the best treated, best paid and most respected of any in the world - bring it on!!

Anyway, at least the CEO wage bill would be lower if we had Willie Walsh running the show - I mean he earns less than JF for a start!

DP

flyingbed, as much as I respect your views on the situation, it still doesn't work for me.

I think it's become intractable now - if we, as the pilot workforce, stand down, then we will show to the company that they can do anything that they want to with us - which is what we have done before. If we stand our ground and show, just for once, that we are not prepared to take this anymore, then it might have the desired impact.

Whichever way you look at it, I personally believe it's high time we stood up for ourselves. We might not be badly paid for a turboprop job, but try telling that to a paypoint zero FO who has a family to look after, is losing £700 of his paycheck to loan repayment, and has a take home income of £1400-£1500 a month.

I believe it's the wrong deal, and will vote no to it. Equally though, I believe it's important to show the company that we're not prepared to take this shafting anymore.

Flyingbed: Up to 140 E-Jets are coming. The jet salary is crap.

I don't think anybody has suggested we get paid the same as a director, nor a 28% payrise. However, if there is that much margin available in the business, do you not think that even a minimum of RPI is achievable??

JA is at Emirates.

Ballot forms are now out !

Letter opened, ballot paper picked up, ballot paper marked, ballot paper sealed in envelope.

Took me 32 seconds

I suggest folks that if you happen to come across management in the crew rooms on a damage limitation exercise you just give them a wide berth and do not even engage in conversation. Just a polite good morning/afternoon/evening and make the decision for the ballot of your own accord.
Management are well versed in the art of persuasion and you could quite easily get confused about your own opinions. Read the proposal carefully and X marks the box.
My paper is firing it's way back already, suffice to say it did not take long!!!!
Fly safely guys :ok:

Having been in similar situations in the past, I know how unpleasant it is when reasonable people feel forced into such a ballot. Good luck and as the man said, above all, fly safely.

CC, in your rush I hope you got the right box:E:eek:

:confused: ahh Lord Spandex. I may have to open it up again to double check, you have put reasonable doubt in my mind now :E

(like hell. It was next to the big fat steamy NO :8)

Just voted
 

Big tick in the no thank you box ! The small amount of backdated pay for a yr 3 Q400 F/O after tax would not even cover 1 months pilot loan. Hoping a few of those new planes come to BHX this year, that would help my bank account no end. Only 5 years and 7 months of £1100 per month after tax to go, depending on the Euro exchange rate. Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea after all.....

My NO is on it's way too... double checked I crossed the No box :E

NO box crossed and from already back in the post!!!

On a sidenote, i see there are 2 different adverts in Flight for E190 f/os and capts. I know Eurasia and the Middle East are not evryones cup of tea, even for big salaries, but the E jets are proving popular with many other carriers. Could see lots more Fybe pilots leaving as they are E jet rated for greener pastures as more jobs become available nearer home.
However i think management would like this so they can pay the new guys even less!! :ugh:

The letter landed on my doorstep around 11am, by 11:30am the orange piece of paper was in the local postbox with the appropriate cross applied. Roll on the 14th Feb......

Bravo Flybe Management
 

If I was a major shareholder in Flybe, I would be very pleased with the actions of the senior management. They are aggressively trying to drive down one of their major costs in their business, to improve the bottom line, to provide better returns for the share holders, and to make them more attractive to future buy outs.
Don't get upset with their pay/terms of conditions offer. All they are doing is their job, to make Flybe as cost effective as possible. ITS JUST BUSINESS TO THEM.

So if you want to provide your services to them, at the rate they are dictating, then tick yes. If you don't then tick no. But make sure that you will be happy to withdraw that service to them if the time comes.

Me, I'm a big no.

T & B

Significantly less than inflation this year
Significantly less than inflation next year
Almost certainly significantly less than inflation the year after......while the directors and management are lining their pockets!!!

NO.

FFS... tell me you're joking about the 9%.

I re-read the pack and turned it round straight away, the form will be with BALPA tomorrow. Shame we have to wait till mid Feb for the result - especially when it is so obvious what the outcome is going to be.

Personally, I just want this episode behind us now. Its getting towards that time of the year where we'll back to 80-90hr months, head down and working hard.

I don't want to march up and down a picket line, nor do I want to disrupt things for our passengers. But if that's what it comes to, then I'll be there with bells on

I'm curious as to what you thought you would earn straight out of flying school?