They will find a way...just like they found a way to get away with a very very mediocre pay increase during a red hot pilot market whilst making profit after profit and close to 1 billion Pounds in cash.

Pilots (just like most other folks) are unfortunately very gullible and are easily scared into something.

It all comes down to what one believes that they are worth. Well...most cadets will "fly for food" and most older captains have a family to think about. That leaves senior FO's that are thinking/kissing ass about their command and junior captains that are new in the LHS.

Joe_bar, which ones of those people that I mentioned above do you think will refuse to sign a local contract? Or do you think that Balpa will come to the rescue? :{

Local Contract
 

Local contract will soon be forced upon Easyjet, which will definetely abuse th situation!!
There are many politics involved and even If I am sure AH is pleased to see that he will able to put the union out for a while don't forget to look into the TNA scheme and the strong ties that there are between the ECA unions, European comission is also trying to change some rules making collective bargaining easier and more efficient!

Go and check on the web, you will find lots of usual info!

PGA - You have answered that question yourself! Dont you see it?! You are not prepared to go to ind action over the latest "offer". Cant you see that this is potentially (probably??!!) the LAST chance we have to make a stand? This is not really about the pay "deal" at all any more. Its about sending a clear signal that we are united and stand strong as a group. With a strong "no" vote now we stand a much better chance to be taken seriously by the company, a greater chance to be consulted before they try to impose future local contracts, loss of T&Cs etc etc.

Good luck to all! Im afraid you'll need it......:(

/CP

Kraut

You have completely missed my point!

I am not saying that easyjet give you all these options. I am asking if there is any other low cost airline that gives more (or even comes close)than the following:

75 grand a year plus around 10 grand sector pay. Oh I nearly forgot, a bonus of 10% of basic this year as he has been with the company 5 years. So let us call that 93 grand a year.

Oh and I also very nearly forgot as well that he told me he got 2 weeks worth of salary last summer in shares, whats that about 2500 grand (around 2.5% on top of last year's pay rise)? Let us call the total 95 grand ish this year.

He also tells me that given the 5/3/5/4 roster pattern, he gets plenty of time off to spend it.

Given what I have said above is there any other low cost airline that gives all of this and.....

More than 7% pension.
and
Private health care.
and
Less than 850-900hrs a year.(I believe very few are actually doing this!)
and
no randon rostering at all.
and
Share options Have the company not already given various share options throughout the years?
and
Can tell me what I will be paid in 4 years time, let alone still be employed.

And so far, no one has been able to give me an answer.

Are easyjet recruiting this year???????

Oh by the way, I believe that it is the European governments that are enforcing local contracts - and I am not surprised. Do foreign nationals who work with easyjet in the UK pay UK Tax?

If they do then why shouldn't crews on a UK contract working and living in Europe pay local governemnt tax and NI etc. If they live in a particular country and use that country's "services" then surely it is only right and proper that they contribute towards them?

I believe that in the UK sympathy strikes are not allowed. However as far as I am aware the union can insist that we do not cover routes in dispute. Therefore if for example the German bases go on strike we can hold out and not fly their routes. Maybe someone in the know can confirm this.

albertoli,

I have been at easy for 4+ years. Although I am waiting with a lot of others for a command course (maybe this year, maybe next), I write this as a SFO, for SFOs - the future of the company.

I sold my house to pay for the job. This has screwed me. Being taken out of the housing market is not good to say the least.

I earn £39,000. This month I took home £2,350. I have yet to find a comparable airline that pays a 4 year, 4,000 hour SFO this little.

My pension will mature at £11,000 pa. Maybe they'll throw in a cardboard box.

I have received bonuses over the last 4 years. They include (in no particular order): a book, a biro, some arse wipes (I am not joking) and a bottle of shampoo.

If I look on ppjn, I find my earnings at the very bottom of the list. Luckily, there are redeeming features - most notably the fact that the recruitment department, for all their failings, are good at filtering out the idiots.

2350 per month!?

At a UK base I used to get a grand more than that as an SFO.

@100%
Well, you knew what your future would probably look like when you sold, didn´t you ?
If your salary is too low, why did you

a) sell your house still ?
b) join easyJet, instead one of those airlines paying "more" ? (Not too many around, hm ?)

With 4 years and 4k hours you probably joined as a cadet with an empty logbook. No problem.

But before I sell my house I gather my facts and by the time you joined EZY
your salary was even 14% lower ! (payrise of 4% in 2004, another 5%+5% 2005/6).

So why the hell did you do it then ?? :hmm:

£39,000 for a year 4 SFO is a lot lower than I expected to see. I work for a loco on the b737 and at year 1 was on £43,200 basic and then at year 3 it will be £45,000. With allowances and flying roughly 700hrs a year take over £3100 a month.

I know its your payslip but how can this be right?

Either:
1) Hundrendpercentplease is on a TRSS contract. (£39k is basic TRSS SFO salary). Though unlikely for someone who joined as a low hours recruit.
2) Hundrendpercentplease is on a Cadet salary and paying off (approx £80K) Zero Hours-Type Rating training over the course of 7 years via a reduced salary.
3) Hundrendpercentplease is on a part time 75% deal (clue's in the user name).

Apron, those numbers sound about right.

I'm also TRSS FO and I get about £3200/month, but you need to subtract about £420 for the TRSS repayment. That breaks down to roughly £2800/month, NETTO!

Multiply that by 12 and you get an idea how little we earn per year for the grueling hard work that we do... :{

It's really sad to see that people are naive enough to be 'happy' with this and do not have the stomach to fight for a better deal.

The clue is in the username, I am not a cadet - I came from turboprops and am on the TRSS scheme. At the time, it was very difficult to get a job anywhere, and there was the perception that you could get "stuck" on a tp. So I felt I had done well to make the jump to a proper company, despite the financial madness. I realise now, with my salary and pension all reduced because of this, the huge cost of living whilst unpaid waiting for and doing the TR, the rise in the housing market and so on, that I would probably have been better waiting for a bit and getting a job with a carrier who didn't rob you blind.

My starting salary was £35k. The first 4% payrise exposed the fact that my salary was a "mistake" (ie too high) and so it didn't apply to me.

The salary now is indeed £39k. I have of course quoted a low month, but most see between £3150 and £2900. From this you have to deduct the £430 loan repayment, leaving £2700 to £2450. Last month I had leave, hence the £2350.

So albertoli, which comparable airline pays less than this - for a 4 year SFO?

Concentrate on your own lot!
 

I get really irate reading some of the posts on here from people who DO NOT work for easy and feel we are greedy, spoilt kids!

Tell me, what is wrong with those who have a stake in a company and see their long term future within a company standing up for what they believe is fair? I don't care what others earn, so please don't come on here saying we earn more than you! If you don't work for this company then I'm seriously dubious as to why you've got such strong views on our plight. Why not concentrate on your own lot and let others get on with concentrating on theirs.

I don't comment on what Flybe, BA, Virgin, XL yadee yadee yadee earn, because I don't work for them, and frankly, it's none of my business.

Easyjet cant afford to give the pilots a decent pay rise when the company keeps making record profits :=

Yet AH gets his £900,000 bonus :rolleyes:

I'm all for paying people for their efforts so it's time to start sharing the love guys before EJ manage to divide and conquer the pilot workforce.

I personnally don't want to strike. However I don't want to get shafted either.


Lets make a stand guys, probably last chance. :ok:

Don't be so bloody lazy! Have a look on their website at the bottom under "jobs." It only takes a few seconds! :hmm:

Well well.

Hundredpercentplease,

sorry to hear you had to sell your house. However, is it not true that a lot of pilots join up as TRSS or on another type of contract and as soon as they get in they complain about the contract they have signed up for; happens in a lot of companies. I think you have to look towards your potential earnings in the near future.

As a 4000 hours SFO, and the fact that you have been in the company 4+ years, I am surprised you are not already well into the cammand process because my mate tells me you only need 3000 factored hours for command. You must have achieved that a while ago given what some have been saying about how many hours you guys in easyjet fly per year. If you joined another major airline you would still have some time to do before you are even looked at for command.

B737 200

I thought this was a discussion forum - don't matter who you work for free speech and all that.

"My mate says this...my mate thinks that." Are you two lovers or something like that?

Why don't YOU join EZY yourself and find out first hand what life is like in EZY before you start posting about how 'wonderful' EZY is?

Albertoli

Correct, this is a forum for all to contribute and I say it's all the better for it.

However, you are posting on something from the outside ... i.e. you are not so well informed, yet feel you can post with such certainty about things "because your mate works here". Well, my mates work in other airlines, but I don't join into their debates posting what are provocative comments in sensitive times. Sorry mate, but it shows a lack of professionalism and certainly a lack of manners.

You're free to post what you like on here, but just what do you wish to achieve by getting people's backs up?

I'm not against you posting reasoned comments for or against, as that's what healthy debate is about. But frankly, unless you work here and know the facts, I doubt you're really qualified to comment. Fortunately, we have a forum which filters out all the noise, it's called the BALPA forum ;)

Perhaps your mate should be posting on here with a counter arguement if things are so wonderful.

Now, please don't draw me into an arguement with you. I don't take kindly to wind-up merchants!

Oh dear.

I do not think any of my comments have been unreasonable and I think that the facts I have posted are pretty much correct.

They are certainly not intended to wind people up.

Alberto, I think you think too much!:bored:
A lot of lives have been lost in aviation because people were thinking instead of knowing!