Cabin crew?
 

Not sure if this is what you refer to in the “BA/Unite “ agreement in principle, but a friend of mine who is WW cabin crew apparently got a letter (today?) stating his pay cut was now 15% and not the huge cut he was due on a new contract. Interesting that the winter schedule had huge cuts in it and yet a “softer “ deal has been done with Unite.

There is also a lay off clause in the variation to the current contract. And a divide between MF and legacy pay even though they will work together. Fireworks.

Wow
 

So people left on VR , only for the T&C’s to change again after they all left? They offered MF a small rise and Legacy a massive cut, now those are superseded again. Incredible.

A lot of people who left on VR must be kicking themselves today.

From what I've read it not themselves that they want to kick..

Really?
 

autothrottle

Another "A friend of mine" post. I'm pretty sure that all the people who took VR were fully aware of the draconian cuts to their salaries and T&C's changes which led to their decision. Get "your friend" to post the letter they " apparently" got ?

wascrew - The point is the T&Cs available to legacy crew prior to the VR commit date were changed after crew members had locked in their decision to leave...

As I understand it from friends who are former or current cabin crew, legacy and Mixed Fleet:

All the crew were made aware of the proposed significant changes to T&Cs well before their "decide" date.

On the basis of the information they had at their decision date many legacy crew chose to take VR (many left it until literally the last minute before pressing the exit button).

Very shortly thereafter the company and the Union suddenly reached agreement on changes to T&C that reduced the damage and made the T&Cs for those remaining somewhat less arduous.

Result is the legacy crew who chose to stay on at BA have certainly done better than they were expecting (,hence autothrottle's post)

Some of those that left BA via VR may feel slightly like they've been the victims of something a little, shall I say, questionable?

Having said that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have happened this way if UNITE/BASSA had got into the room with BA a bit earlier than they did - who knows...

I do have some sympathy with some of those on legacy Fleet who took VR..I also have a lot of sympathy with Mixed Fleet.

The friend is a relative who is cabin crew. I won’t be asking them for their letter. My point was that the union that person belongs to has failed those that took VR in the most basic way. I thank you for you passive-agressive repost ,which probably explains your handle.
Now give me a good rate and jog on.

Thank you Wiggy . I guess this is a " rumours" forum so people CAN post heresay , unsubstantiated or not . Personally, I prefer hard facts particularly throughout all this Covid nonsense ,not just here but multiple other forums too. I subscribe,to many other forums ,one in particular is for serving or former crew members and I qualify as such,who were quite vociferous about the scandal of the " new" terms they were offered,which,as you say led to many of them making the decision to call it a day. No-one on that particular forum has mentioned these " revised" terms ,which is why I questioned the previous "friend of relative of" poster. If it is the case, that subsequently after Unite/Bassa eventually went to the negotiating table terms were changed, then shame on them! I will "jog on" until I have found out the facts !!

Most of what I've seen from wiggy tends to be on the mark.

Wiggy speaks the truth. Now a 15% pay cut max for legacy crews. Slight increase for MF. The devil may well be in the detail though......

Wiggy is entirely correct. I have two very good friends, married legacy CC, they did NOT take VR but were mightily upset at the expected pay reduction. They now feel that the actual reduction, overall, is much more tolerable.

BASSA are, and always have been, a dreadful union which has rarely ever looked after the best interests of its considerable membership.

If anyone is really that interested the basics of the proposal can be found on the public BASSA site in the NEWS section

From what I read here, wiggy is one of the few who gets his facts right. In my experience BASSA were always pretty useless.

On every communication from BASSA leading up to the VR cut off, they clearly stated that the IFCE proposals were just proposals, negotiations were ongoing, and you should only take VR if you were absolutely sure you wanted to leave. I'm not sure how much clearer they could have made it. BASSA are quite used to BA's games, putting forward a crappy deal to persuade people to leave and then offering a better deal once they have. I don't think BASSA can be blamed for people's knee jerk reactions, and their failure to carefully read communications.

Except that BASSA/UNITE refused to sit down with BA until very late in the game. That is not representing or negotiating.

in fact, I KNOW there is! Cargo is booming due lack of capacity. Yields are already high and rising. Problem is the capacity for temp controlled cargo i.e vaccins

starbag

Point taken, but as M.Mouse has implied, by refusing to enter into consultations with BA for so long, BASSA may have robbed their membership of the opportunity to agree a better deal - and all that may have resulted from that.

Sadly it’s now too late.

Unlike BALPA, UNITE and the GMB unions had Section 188 notifications issued by BA. Why wasn’t a Section 188 notice given to the pilots Mr Mouse?

No wonder BALPA got on and negotiated having been bestowed with this privileged bespoke advantage. The other unions had a gun to their heads called ‘Fire and Rehire’. Apparently legal in the UK,(not for much longer), but not in the lands of Aer Lingus or Iberia.

It is BA who refused to negotiate but instead decided to impose a scorched earth policy under the guise of the pandemic.

Still, the problems of other staff pale into insignificance compared to that of BA’s pilots. How noble of senior flight crew marooned on the dead 747 fleet demanding conversion courses and LIFO. Junior pilots heaped with flying school debt, mortgages and young families cast out, because those at the top want to stay on another year.

Altruism seems to be in short supply on the flight deck.

BALPA was issued two section 188 letters in April(?). The first for 1080 redundancies, and a couple of weeks later another for a further 175 redundancies plus the same "fire and rehire" used across the board.

We entered the consultation with the same gun to our heads that GMB and UNITE had.

I'm not sure where your venomous tone comes from, but it's entirely misplaced here.