Efforts would be better spent trying to get the government to understand that there will be no aviation industry left unless they stop putting barriers in our way. Right now I would take the job because I can see a very real possibility of a 100% pay cut thanks to Bojo and Co

Bex,

I agree, all the sectors of the aviation industry are a strategic asset to the UK. Bojo and Co do not seem to realise that. Whereas France takes an opposite view. I wish the UK government would so something similar.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ation-industry

Absolutely Bex and Bergerie. The biggest threat lies within. Boris is desperate to build up a portfolio of “good deeds” he can use to offset all the atrocious decisions made to date that have cost thousands of lives. He needs to be seen doing the “right thing” in the eyes of COVID paranoid public. He could not care less at this juncture about aviation as he is demonstrating admirably.

BA Cityflyer pilots have just voted to decimate terms and conditions to save fewer than 10 jobs! Turkeys voting for Christmas. Everything that we’ve spent the last 10+ years fighting for gone.

Care to expand? What are the changes?

There will be no Aviation jobs soon, unless this Government get their act together.

- Reduction of rest down route to 11hours.
- Airport Hotels - also loss of breakfast provision.
- Trump days off reduced back to 4 per year.

- Extra loyalty week leave (after 5 years) gone for new joiners, those who already have it reduced from 5 to 3 days. Those who’ve yet to qualify for it now only get 1 Day for each year over 5 years until year year 8 when you get the full 3 days. (30 days with a max of 33)

- Leave periods realigned 5 months Summer and 7 months Winter.
- Disruption payments gone and no right to refuse changes less than 3 hours.
- Change to Standby duties now called reserve. If not changed the night before automatically becomes a 07:30-19:30 standby. If the duty starts prior to 08:00 then only 10 hours notice required!
- Protection around start and finish time of Leave days and trump days removed.
- Changes to variable pay and holiday pay.
Holiday pay now only 20 days per year at £14.90 a day. Variable pay £2.49 an hour away from base.

oh oh but we get 1 extra day off a month.

What a joke. Quite simply Ts and Cs should not be destroyed like RJ100 has quoted. Those items will never be recovered (we know how BA/Cityflyer management behave). It should be LIFO for those who unfortunately have just joined, the rest should not be taking permanent contractual changes like the ones quoted above. What a disgrace.

RJ
Min rest away from base is 11hrs under EASA same as reserve the old available for those with long enough memories.
Most Hotels don't do room only rates not sure why Airlines go after this mind you if your heading to a Holiday Inn then...
Its crap time all round

Just a minor correction. Most hotac can be booked Room Only. I did 21 years international hotac and no breakfast was totally written into our t&c's .Rarely got a breakfast, usually in an ad hoc booking. In the Uk, this is usually justified with the explanation that you are paid duty pay down route to pay for food, so HMRC will look at taxing duty pay if you get free brekkie. Which is true, because they did!

A rotten reduction in T&C's. Typical mean spirited airline management tactic.

I seem to remember that sometimes TCX paid more for the room just so it’s crews didn’t get breakfast included. But then we had “that” sort of management.

Johnson was quoted as saying "*** business" do you really think that he cares for the aviation industry and your jobs. He couldn't care less and Prime Minister Cummings even less.

Unfortunately, I think you are indeed correct! It is now too late for many of us already...

I'm sure we will remember this; when the UK aviation industry has failed and we are casting our votes at the next General Election!

LoL, I can't see that Jezza and his mates would have been out there throwing money towards the aviation sector. More likely to see it as a covid dividend if they took all the contrails out of the sky. They are all useless, the UK has elected mediocre politicians for 2 generations and we are seeing the results.

Calling them mediocre is far too generous.

Solid info that the bottom 340 ish (less any 787/350 pilots) have just received their CR notice. A dark day for aviation.

You would be correct, we have. A very dark day.

Unfortunately they are both mediocre AND inexperienced which, just as in aviation, is a bad combination.

They would have been better taking VR rather than being strung along with the promise of VR/PT saving jobs. So questions need asking:

Did BALPA know before VR closed on those who'd end up with only a month's pay, that this amount of CR was almost certain to happen?
Did BALPA know before VR closed that those taking it could still join the PRP?
And, was CR 0 possible at the right price to BA but an unpalatable one to the BACC?

Best wishes to those affected.

I’m really not sure how much clearer JM could have been. Zero CR was never an option. Not sure what else he can say to convince people?

Thoughts are with everyone receiving the awful news today.