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DaveReidUK 1st May 2020 17:20


Originally Posted by MungoP (Post 10769642)
Employees often fail to grasp that the CEO has a list of priorities; The first is that 'The company must still be in business when the sun rises tomorrow.'.
The second is the stock-price
Third; The stock-holders.
Employees don't even come within the top 20.

So what are the other 17+ priorities that come before employees ?

kintyred 1st May 2020 17:23


Originally Posted by the_stranger (Post 10769693)
To be honest, I'd rather fly an airline which itself tried to keep as many staff employed. And if people had to be layed off, than under the best provisions possible.

A noble thought but the reality is that most airline tickets are sold on the basis of price. The airline that can sell the cheapest tickets will keep the largest number of people employed. I’ll leave you to work out the likely terms and conditions of the employees.

Kirks gusset 1st May 2020 17:32

https://www.cityam.com/iag-secures-s...pYHVMDxb1NTKp0
As usual the UK is not a level playing field !

FlipFlapFlop 1st May 2020 17:42

It does appear this thread has been taken over by BA management and their friends.

Oh gaim 1st May 2020 18:22

Relax ... they have their top men working on it ...

Exclusive: Britain hires Morgan Stanley to advise on aviation rescue plan - sources
https://reut.rs/3fcONI7

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8853d95da.jpeg

ILS27LEFT 1st May 2020 18:47

Willie Walsh not attending
 
"Dear Allison, Thank you for your message. I am incredibly sorry that, at this time of great uncertainty for the nation, British Airways, and their parent, IAG, have made a decision to put thousands of employees through a consultation with a view to 12,000 redundancies across its workforce. From a local perspective, and not always appreciated by all constituents, I have been a vocal supporter of Gatwick and of BA at Gatwick. The constituency I represent has relatively low wages compared to the regional norm. Those who work at Gatwick are able to boost our local economy. This is even more important at this current time. Talk of BA withdrawing from Gatwick would be devastating for our local economy and our ability to connect with the globe. From a national perspective, I chair the Transport Select Committee. Next Wednesday morning, we are holding our first session on our Inquiry around Aviation and the impact from Coronavirus. Details are below: https://www.parliament.uk/business/c...ansport-19-21/ We did invite Willie Walsh, of IAG, to attend as a witness but he is tied up with a board meeting. This is unfortunate because Willie is not backwards in coming forwards. Instead, Airlines UK, the umbrella organisation for UK airlines, which includes BA, will give evidence alongside the Chief Executive of Heathrow and others. In the next session, on 20 May, we will hear from the unions and the Aviation Minister. We will be asking about the planned redundancies. Of key concern to me is whether BA are using this epidemic environment to restructure. I appreciate that there is huge uncertainty, and a view that the market may not return to pre-Covid times until 2023 (if it does). BA, and it’s parent, have to prepare for this. The furloughing scheme will not last indefinitely but BA have been fast out of the blocks if this is just a reaction to the Covid 19 epidemic. My concern on this front is not helped by the news, which has just now broken, that IAG has just taken out a €1 billion Spanish state-backed loan. Previously, Willie Walsh lambasted other airlines for looking for state aid. With £7billion of reserves, IAG stated that it would address internally with ‘self-help’ before it resorted to Government aid. It is important that this ‘self-help’ is not job losses in the UK, as opposed to the position in Spain where fewer job losses are expected and the company has sought Government finance. I hasten to add that it is my understanding that IAG/BA have not come to the UK Government or Bank of England to ask for aid before making the announcement on redundancies. There are many questions which require answers from BA. As a result, I have sought permission from my committee members to ensure that BA do appear before the Transport Select Committee. If Willie Walsh is tied up then he should run an organisation where he can delegate someone to speak on his behalf. This is all moving at pace but I hope it demonstrates that I will use my local and national voice to hold British Airways to account. I have also reached out to other MPs to ramp up the pressure. You will be able to watch our virtual Select Committee proceedings, either on Parliament TV or BBC Parliament (which tends to catch up). With best wishes,"

MungoP 1st May 2020 18:52

DaveReidUK
So what are the other 17+ priorities that come before employees ?

They'll be down there somewhere below the CEO's cat.

nowhereasfiled 1st May 2020 18:52

Nice to see the chair of the Transport Select Committee has done his homework on “British Airlines”.

M.Mouse 1st May 2020 19:02


Originally Posted by Cliff Secord (Post 10769645)
Just a point. Psychopaths making auto effective leaders is old codswallop. There do happen to be psychopaths in leadership positions but that is through their self desire. It doesn’t infer in reverse their effectiveness

Interpersonal: They’re manipulative, deceitful, and/or narcissistic.
Affective: They lack remorse, are callous, and may take pleasure in hurting others.
Lifestyle: They’re impulsive, may use illegal substances, and may have disregard for the consequences of their actions.
Antisocial: They are physically aggressive and may have a history of or tendency toward criminal behavior.

sorry massive thread drift...

Try reading Dr. Kevin Dutton's book on the subject and you will realise your quotes are sweeping generalisations which, while true of some people, is far from the norm.

The Foss 1st May 2020 19:06


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10769774)
Nice to see the chair of the Transport Select Committee has done his homework on “British Airlines”.

At least they aren’t the CEO of “British Airlines”

Douglas Bahada 1st May 2020 19:13

The simple way to punish these carriers that are driving through opportunistic cost cutting is to deny them slots at premium airports and rewarding those who are socially responsible.(if that is possible).

RexBanner 1st May 2020 19:38

I’m so happy this is getting some serious attention at the highest levels. Depending how the media play this (and we’ve seen their power, it’s how we got here) I think (hope) it’s not too optimistic to think the fallout from this could be another Ratners but on a much larger scale. Walsh must be getting old, he’s potentially played his hand very poorly here.

Potentially trying to push through a new detrimental and oppressive sickness and absence monitoring policy and putting Cabin Crew on zero hours contracts during a time of a worldwide medical pandemic certainly wont play well.

Tartiflette Fan 1st May 2020 20:27

"Call a strike, ground the fleet,"

And where is it currently ?

Mister Geezer 1st May 2020 20:29

IMHO it will be a battle of if the unions or the company has the slicker PR machine. Media outlets thrive on controversy and speculation and there is plenty of fuel to add to that fire if it's suggested that BA is exploiting a global health pandemic to slay staff numbers and drive though over zealous detrimental changes to terms and conditions. Changes that are far from proportional to the crisis at hand.

No company likes copious amounts of bad press and especially so in demanding times at these. Jo Public is none the wiser and just thinks that BA is making 12,000 staff redundant, to ensure survival. Now is the time to enlighten your loyal customers and the wider public of the reality at hand and ensure that the media hold your management to account.

Tartiflette Fan 1st May 2020 20:38

"wow, if a company making close to 2 billion euros profits has a bottom drawer full of problems, it makes you wonder how on Earth they made that much money ?"

How much were you making when they made that ?

RTM Boy 1st May 2020 21:04


Originally Posted by Mister Geezer (Post 10769851)
IMHO it will be a battle of if the unions or the company has the slicker PR machine. Media outlets thrive on controversy and speculation and there is plenty of fuel to add to that fire if it's suggested that BA is exploiting a global health pandemic to slay staff numbers and drive though over zealous detrimental changes to terms and conditions. Changes that are far from proportional to the crisis at hand.

No company likes copious amounts of bad press and especially so in demanding times at these. Jo Public is none the wiser and just thinks that BA is making 12,000 staff redundant, to ensure survival. Now is the time to enlighten your loyal customers and the wider public of the reality at hand and ensure that the media hold your management to account.

The trouble is that the wider public will be indifferent. Why do I say this? Because the focus will remain on the virus, the NHS, the death toll, the R number, the NHS, the changes to lockdown restrictions, the second wave, the vaccine, key workers, the NHS, the NHS, the NHS, etc., and everyone’s OWN job. The whole economy is in crisis, not just aviation, and bankruptcies and mass job losses will cut through swathes of businesses up and down the country. The travel sector will be just one part of the whole slump.

Flying has become a commodity product. For most travellers cheapest fare wins. By trying to take on ‘budget’ airlines, BA has shot itself in the foot by lowering service standards to their level, so that there is no point of differentiation other than price, certainly on short haul. Business travellers will stay away post-lockdown as corporate health and safety do risk assessment on business travel and advise against travel.

So, what BA does will be just another story of job loses...

captain8 1st May 2020 21:16

The elephant in the room is that BA has become irrelevant in our corona hit world. However, their management scream redundancies to force the uk governments hand.
Pilots love BA, its supportive culture, but alas it no longer respects them. As stated in an earlier post.
The employees have become bitter , and the vitriolic rantings earlier on her demonstrate this.
Don’t shoot the messenger.
Please don’t bail out BA. They can pay their own way. You want my tax dollars? No way, BA.

TURIN 1st May 2020 21:19


Originally Posted by captain8 (Post 10769886)
Please don’t bail out BA. They can pay their own way. You want my tax dollars? No way, BA.

Too late, BA have been taking your dollar for weeks now. Furlough payments designed to stop redundancies.

Mister Geezer 1st May 2020 21:35


Originally Posted by RTM Boy (Post 10769877)
The trouble is that the wider public will be indifferent. Why do I say this? Because the focus will remain on the virus, the NHS, the death toll, the R number, the NHS, the changes to lockdown restrictions, the second wave, the vaccine, key workers, the NHS, the NHS, the NHS, etc., and everyone’s OWN job. The whole economy is in crisis, not just aviation, and bankruptcies and mass job losses will cut through swathes of businesses up and down the country. The travel sector will be just one part of the whole slump.

Flying has become a commodity product. For most travellers cheapest fare wins. By trying to take on ‘budget’ airlines, BA has shot itself in the foot by lowering service standards to their level, so that there is no point of differentiation other than price, certainly on short haul. Business travellers will stay away post-lockdown as corporate health and safety do risk assessment on business travel and advise against travel.

So, what BA does will be just another story of job loses...

It is one thing for a company to lay off staff due to legitimate pressures on their business. It is a far more sinister scenario if it is portrayed that one of the UK's biggest brands goes a step further and uses the pandemic as a callous excuse to leave more staff out of a job than necessary and leave those remaining, facing disproportionate cuts to Ts and Cs and all in the name of opportunistic business gain. To do so is unforgivable in the best of economic climates but to carry this out when the world is on its knees is beneath contempt.

I agree that many of the public are juggling more balls than normal with all the extra pressures at present but with live streaming news at our fingertips, informing the wider world of your plight has never been easier and bad news makes good headlines.

TURIN 1st May 2020 21:38


Originally Posted by HZ123 (Post 10769530)
There seems to be a problem on here that many do not seem to grasp the severity of the problem. It is irrelevant the callous management style exercised at the present time. BA staff must be completely aware of the situation and to many it has not come as a surprise. As for personal abusive attacks on WW, that achieves nothing. How do those on here assume that thousands of staff doing nothing can be kept on the payroll until things get better. As for the last post 'call a strike' that is nonsense and the one before calling WW a psychopath should be removed. If threaders cannot contribute sensibly then say nothing. Peoples livelihoods are at stake here!

There is a government idea called The Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme. It involves a company accepting government (IE tax payers) money to supplement the wage bill to avoid redundancies. BA is currently part of this scheme. I don't expect this scheme to run indefinately but I do expect those companies who use it to live by it's rules.

Many of us understand the economic impact of this lockdown and the effect on airlines but this is complete opportunism by BA. No one will want to work for this company again if this morally bancrupt bunch of directors get their way. No one. When the economy picks up again and new airlines spring up there will be a mass exodus of highly qualified personel of all grades jumping ship. BA will be a shell of its former glory. Nice one Mt Walsh, well done.




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