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Originally Posted by shamrock_f22
(Post 10587748)
Whilst I agree that low cost carriers have shifted passengers perspective of what's low cost and affordable, I don't think all of BA's paying population want both first class service and low cost. I know lots of people who were loyal to the brand and happily paid extra for tickets for many years.
What BA did was slowly erode the standard of their service causing these passengers to question value for money for what was slowly becoming a low cost carrier service. You can't do that if you're offering First and Biz worldwide and expect pax to keep schtum. BA also needed to accept that if it wanted to remain a premium carrier then it couldn't have 100% seat fulfilment and fly every aircraft at capacity with the routes it has at the prices it charges. Where we seem to have ended up is somewhere in the middle. A brand which is still broadly speaking perceived as premium, staffed by crew used to giving top service, run as a low cost carrier, treating its customers with contempt like a certain low cost carrier but marketed as a premium carrier. Inevitably, its going to lead to the downfall of BA unless something radically changes. Driving unit cost lower only achieves so much. As the late, Herb Kelleher eloquently put it (paraphrasing) " You can have the lowest cost, or the highest revenue and still go broke. What matters is the difference between the two" The new breed of airline managers, pumped out of business schools know little of value premium and believe cost is the only thing the matters. As their business schools taught them, "when you are a hammer, every problem is a nail". |
Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10588235)
The new breed of airline managers, pumped out of business schools know little of value premium and believe cost is the only thing the matters.
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maybe in negotiations its time to remind management that they cant run an airline without pilots (yet)
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Shamrock F22 ...treating its customers with contempt ... Not just the current pilot-punishment sessions behind the bike-sheds ... seemingly a long-standing ingrained prejudice against all 'his' workers. https://viewfromthewing.com/british-...its-employees/ ... |
Gone very Quiet. Where is Brian Strutton
From the outside it seems to have gone very quiet regarding your strike. (I wish the BA pilots every success by the way). But it seems that Brian Strutton has allegedly cleared his desk to go and talk to the PPU over at Virgin this week. 6G |
Originally Posted by Lordflasheart
(Post 10588884)
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Shamrock F22 And seemingly treating the staff with contempt ... |
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Bluff and bluster from Walsh. BA’s intransigence in the negotiations so far is all because they have been told by IAG that there’s no more money available. Willie is driving this, not Cruz. Cruz is basically already gone, they just won’t announce it during a dispute. |
Originally Posted by Plastic787
(Post 10591440)
Bluff and bluster from Walsh. BA’s intransigence in the negotiations so far is all because they have been told by IAG that there’s no more money available. Willie is driving this, not Cruz. Cruz is basically already gone, they just won’t announce it during a dispute. |
Back at the time of the '69 strike there was a headline in the local newspaper here: The South China Morning Post.
The banner read 'BOAC Pilots to Strike', and then on the right had side in smaller font but still a two line headline; San Miguel opens new Brewery. The stories were separated further down the page but the headline was outstanding. Caused a few chuckles hereabouts. S |
Perhaps Cruz and Walsh should read the articles on Hays Travel and reflect on how well the Hays family have done , and how they value and reward their staff. |
So what is the latest ? Its all very quiet and even moved to page two of Pprune !!
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Originally Posted by Barcli
(Post 10606020)
So what is the latest ? Its all very quiet and even moved to page two of Pprune !!
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I know nothing other than ACAS has made a proposal and both sides have retired to consider it. Supposedly something Friday. Hopefully we can move forward onto issues which really affect us more. |
Originally Posted by shamrock_f22
(Post 10591446)
Agreed. I'm sure he's already lined up Cruz's replacement from this side of the sea.
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BA not prepared to re instate staff travel privileges to those 600 who went on strike until end next year. unless BALPA resolves this,they will never get people to strike again.Clever move by BA. wise up BALPA |
Would like to add that’s not actually confirmed as of 16:52 November 1st but yes, thats certainly what it looks like. |
I respect that people want to keep quiet but from what I gather the old deal is now the one being looked at, with a few minor tweaks. Crucially I’d be very keen to know if the original caveat /blank cheque of “changing business needs” has remained ? As a swimmer, that is probably the thing I’m most concerned about... feel free to pm me
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Settlement
I do not know the details, but will be very disturbed if management have "beaten pilots into submission."
Pilots are the day to day managers of the operation and can make decisions that can affect the company for the better or not. If the management does not have the pilots onside then the situation can so easily deteriorate. BA was once a proud company. What do you call it Now? |
"What do you call it now?"
The world's favourite airline? |
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