It's actually death by a thousand self inflicted cuts for FR the way they're doing things. The not recognising unions game is up but they just cannot bring themselves to admit it.

It's a PR disaster!

Looks like MOL just wants to gain time.
Stay focused ! Don't let your guard down ! Hold your ground firmly !
One more "small" detail. In this era of Android and Whatsup, it is wise to assume he is well aware of all your plans and intentions. :suspect:

When assessing the enemy consider this:

1. They may not count what you think is important
2. Make sure the target of your actions shows up in their excel spread sheet.

Mr O'Leary will face sustained revenue pressure, this affects cash flow.
Shareholders start to worry when it impacts...

Hope the negotiators not only think of there own wallet but also represent the joining cadets e.g. getting them some basic pay during training.

mol
 

mol is the most disgusting individual EVER involved in aviation. As mentioned don't trust him any further than you could throw him even though he is a bit of a little prick. Does he ever have his glasses on his eyes or does he have another set on top of his head.:rolleyes:

Spoke to a mate who’s UK based. Seems MOL is playing a bit of a game. On Friday FR had a conference call with base captains. Shortly afterwards his BC was on the phone in not too desperate tones imploring pilots to sign latest offer. This offer includes a clause that ties them into a five year deal and agrees to abide by Ryanair’s version of ERC negotiation and specifically excludes unions. So if you want a union negotiated deal, wait five years. Base captains claiming Ryanair won’t enforce this clause but unlikely to remove..... mmmm.. Initial impressions are the Leopard isn’t looking to change his spots?

This would explain why he is pushing to the latest possible the meetings with unions.

MOL is taking the pi*s out of you guys.

Remember the guys starting the first McDonalds restaurant and how that one went down in the end for them despite what was said. Also knowing the thirty year history of union busting in contrast to the latest apparent change in stance it must be better placing all bets and action going forward on the known past rather then the latest which still remains to be seen if it’s genuine or not...

I think that it’s fair to say some unions have been their ( members) own worst enemy, the miners union is one and Southern rail through ASLEF & the RMT, these unions have been hijacked by people with a poltical agenda, BALPA seems far more pragmatic and reflects the difference between representing employees in the private sector ( where in the UK at least) government bailouts are rare.

Unions seek to improve the lot of employees, that tends to cost money and that is why MoL and his investors don’t want to go there.

Unions hard won deals to protect employees rights in redundancy probably killed of any chance of a rescue of Monarch and bmibaby before them, it’s just to complicated or rather it’s easier to start a fresh than merge seniority, t&c’s let alone pension liabilities

MoL has invested huge amounts of time and money to avoid union recognition, he has no problem with unions provided they’re his unions, why does he say he will only deal with unions that are represented by FR employees? it’s is implied that that he can then apply pressure on individuals and here you have to look at their track record.

I would recommend you keep an open mind, but keep your eyes even more so ditto your ears, it will like end in one of two ways

1) a pet union thrown a few cheap crumbs that cost Ryanair little, maybe even save a few bob given the creativity shown in the past ( remember the 50p wheelchair levy on all passengers)

2) individual base shut downs in the way that they dealt with union demands in CPH yet they continue to operate flight to/from there! oh I see you’re active on the union front off to Gdańsk or Marrakesh for you and congratulations on the birth of your new daughter BTW

Good luck with all this the industry supports you but we know your up against a nasty piece of work.

Ryanair has recognised unions
 

This thread will shortly go to another forum but I thought the earthquake was worth reporting. Yes, it may not mean what it meant in the past but it IS a change.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...unions-airline

At the same time, there seems to have been some frank talking. "New operations boss admits staff are miserable", unless the re-hired operations chief is speaking seriously off-hymn sheet.

Could the iceberg of indifference be thawing, just a bit? A $5bn drop in market capitalisation over two weeks might prompt investors to think the CalPers fund's call to sack the entire management team isn't such an outlandish idea.

Not a word from M O'L. Methinks he's being sidelined.

Black and white doesn't work in the world of business. Money talks.

errrrrr it was miserable when PB was there previously....

German Ryanair pilots will strike Friday 22nd. from 05:01 - 08:59 AM

Typical of RyanAir - first of all (according to the German Union VC) RyanAir rejected two of the five members of the VC negotiating team, thus infringing the autonomy of the Union to select it's representatives; at the same time, RyanAir is claiming to want to talk with the pilots on the 5th of January, presenting themselves as the victims of the reckless and unwarranted actions of the unions....

Yepp, don't know why impact doesn't join...
And news from Italy, Portugal and Spain?

It strikes me that Ryanair's problems are much deeper than a shortage of flight deck. Having read a comprehensive analysis with timeline of this years events by Bloomberg they are going to be running flat out for some time to get back on track. MOL admitted he took the eye off the ball with Pilot salaries. Behind all the pronouncements that his pilots now get paid 20% more than others a quick look around will show that they are marginally below what would be considered average. No wonder the new chap has stated number 1 thing is to stop people leaving. Here they have a problem because what is left is not the 'talent' the business needs going forward. In fact my guess is one of the fundamental problems is that the Base Pilot managers are not much cop. Those with any drive, initiative, can do spirit have long since departed the fix.

Sound leadership will be required at all levels, not just in the head shed.

I also wonder how much 'talent' has left from other departments over the last 12 months. It will be interesting to see if they bring in folk from outside at lower levels to try and improve things or certainly give the perception of 'making an effort'.

Not surprised a strike is still going ahead......

Ryan Air Strike in Germany
 

Tomorrow Ryan Air Pilots are going on a 4 hour strike in Germany.
For the very first time in the history of the airline.

Go, guys and gals, go!

You have my support, get some change going in your company.

I’m normally not for supporting strikes but in this case I wish the German strikers all the best. Good for you for making a stand.